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RMS made these comments on work communication channels. You don't need to separate his ideas from his work because he himself put his ideas into his work enviro
by solosoyokaze 6y ago
RMS made these comments on work communication channels. You don't need to separate his ideas from his work because he himself put his ideas into his work environment and is now, correctly, paying the price for that.
- NoImmatureAdHom 6y agoI don't think CSAIL mailing list qualifies as "work" for rms, if "work" is FSF. Maybe "professional", but it's a university, so that sort of inquiry is 100% appropriate and should be protected.
- solosoyokaze 6y agoThis is not his field of study. He's defending a friend of his who is credibly accused of raping a minor. It's not philosophy, it's personal interest and serves no value to the community or anyone other than RMS and Minsky.
- NoImmatureAdHom 6y agoDefffffinitely fair game at a university, then. I thought we were talking about the more abstract investigation of why it's wrong to have sex with minors. This sort of direct political stuff is regrettable but totally within the realm of acceptable.
- solosoyokaze 6y agoIt may be acceptable to you but for me and a lot of people, it is not. The solution for me is to never associate or work with the FSF and advocate against this type of behavior from "leaders" in our industry and field.
- teddyh 6y agoThe age of consent in some European countries is generally lower than the US, some as low as 14, most about 15 with some having 16¹. If we assume that the majority of citizens of such a country agree that their country has a reasonable age, would your response then be to “never associate or work with” anyone from that country? 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#/media/File:Age_of_Consent_-_Global.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#/media/File:Age...
- solosoyokaze 6y agoI would not work with anyone who held those views, regardless of which country they were from. I find it abhorrent and especially so in the context of work.
- rscoots 6y agoBut how do we all decide for ourselves what is abhorrent? Hopefully by some sort of reasoning right? (And hopefully not as tortured and ill-advised as what RMS wrote all those years ago.)
- solosoyokaze 6y agoThe same reasoning that says it's bad to murder someone. I would say empathy and a modicum of human decency.
- africanboy 6y agoIn Japan age of consent is 13. Do you find Japanese people abhorrent?
- solosoyokaze 6y agoAny adult who rapes a 13 year old is abhorrent. It's not even a debate. [Edit] Absolutely disgusting that this would be downvoted. This community really showed itself for what it is today. Thankfully, the rest of our industry has enough of a moral compass to reject this, so both FSF and Stallman are dead in the water.
- seoaeu 6y agoFor a lot of people on that list it was work. And as for whether it was an appropriate for that discussion, the university in question has since unambiguously communicated that it wasn't.
- NoImmatureAdHom 6y agoYeah, we're unfortunately entering a time of repression. I wonder how bad it will get. The duty to resist it rests on our collective shoulders.