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Yes - it has played a major role in Australia’s elimination strategy - the key difference has been the Australian government fines individuals (starts at $1600

by ben-gy 6y ago

Yes - it has played a major role in Australia’s elimination strategy - the key difference has been the Australian government fines individuals (starts at $1600 spot fine) and businesses (up to $100k per non-compliant location) heavily for non-compliance - which hasn’t happened in any other country that I’m aware of...

tinus_hn 6y ago
No, the key difference is that in Australia you would have 2 infected individuals and then you trace their whereabouts and involve the media, whereas in the UK there’s tens of thousands of infected individuals at any given time, most of which are undetected.
- ben-gy 6y ago
  Incorrect - we have had outbreaks with 1000s of people infected - but as the post above you correctly mentioned - when that happened, we did an incredibly strict lock down. For example, for ~3 months we had: - 1 person could go grocery shopping once per day for 1 hour - you could only go outside for a maximum of 1 hour per day for excervise only - every single organisation (other than critical care locations) had their physical locations shut down - everyone was mandated to wear masks outside of their residence And a bunch more... We had ~5 community cases identified in Brisbane recently and the entire city went into an instant hard lockdown for 3 days whilst contact tracers worked out the scale of the issue. It has nothing to do with how many cases we have, but everything to do with how harshly and rapidly we prevent community interaction.
retrac 6y ago
Contact tracing was and is a major part of the response in Canada. We have similar fines and penalties. Quarantine Act emergency measures are in effect. Thousands have been fined. A handful of wilful breakers of ordered quarantine have been criminally charged. The drastic difference in outcome so far compared to Australia boils down to just a few differences, as far as I can tell: * we never truly closed the border. We should probably have tried harder, but it is impossible to strictly do so with the USA, at least. The majority of cases in last March and April were from American visitors, and locals who had travelled there. Those seeds of outbreak seem to still be the main strain circulating now. * our lockdowns were not quite as strict, or strictly enforced, and were more haphazard for when they were applied and when they were loosened * testing was not deployed as rapidly or widely * contact tracing becomes less and less feasible with the more cases there are, and past a tipping point it becomes hopeless to expect it will actually contain it (though they certainly still try)
CallingOutBS 6y ago
GP asked for evidence. "Australia has done better than other countries" is correlation. Is it causation?

by ben-gy 6y ago

tinus_hn 6y ago

No, the key difference is that in Australia you would have 2 infected individuals and then you trace their whereabouts and involve the media, whereas in the UK there’s tens of thousands of infected individuals at any given time, most of which are undetected.

ben-gy 6y ago
Incorrect - we have had outbreaks with 1000s of people infected - but as the post above you correctly mentioned - when that happened, we did an incredibly strict lock down. For example, for ~3 months we had: - 1 person could go grocery shopping once per day for 1 hour - you could only go outside for a maximum of 1 hour per day for excervise only - every single organisation (other than critical care locations) had their physical locations shut down - everyone was mandated to wear masks outside of their residence And a bunch more... We had ~5 community cases identified in Brisbane recently and the entire city went into an instant hard lockdown for 3 days whilst contact tracers worked out the scale of the issue. It has nothing to do with how many cases we have, but everything to do with how harshly and rapidly we prevent community interaction.

retrac 6y ago

Contact tracing was and is a major part of the response in Canada. We have similar fines and penalties. Quarantine Act emergency measures are in effect. Thousands have been fined. A handful of wilful breakers of ordered quarantine have been criminally charged. The drastic difference in outcome so far compared to Australia boils down to just a few differences, as far as I can tell: * we never truly closed the border. We should probably have tried harder, but it is impossible to strictly do so with the USA, at least. The majority of cases in last March and April were from American visitors, and locals who had travelled there. Those seeds of outbreak seem to still be the main strain circulating now. * our lockdowns were not quite as strict, or strictly enforced, and were more haphazard for when they were applied and when they were loosened * testing was not deployed as rapidly or widely * contact tracing becomes less and less feasible with the more cases there are, and past a tipping point it becomes hopeless to expect it will actually contain it (though they certainly still try)

CallingOutBS 6y ago

GP asked for evidence. "Australia has done better than other countries" is correlation. Is it causation?