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I don't know where you get the impression that I'm criticizing the NHS or a nationalized Healthcare service. I'm all for a nationalized healthcare service. My i

I don't know where you get the impression that I'm criticizing the NHS or a nationalized Healthcare service. I'm all for a nationalized healthcare service. My issue is with people who pay nil significant taxes in Europe gloating ignorantly about how European Healthcare is free, and won't stop shitting on American Healthcare. Yeah, your healthcare is cheaper than the US but it isn't free. There is a whole bunch of middle class folks and upper class folks paying for it.

ratsforhorses 6y ago
Just a thought, "paying nil significant taxes" would mean lower or nil income...? we could also include refugees, prisoners in that group I guess.... these people, may also be providing a huge extra to society in the form of being low paid, having future potential or not adding to externalisation costs such as increased infrastructure needs higher income earners do... also I think the main criticisms of the US health system is that insurance is in most cases part of the job contract and that there are huge (cost) inefficiencies due to insurers battling over coverage costs with health providers... as an aside I live in Romania and as a low income earner I forgoe insurance because it's a lot cheaper to get care when I need it
- jschwartzi 6y ago
  > insurance is in most cases part of the job contract and that there are huge (cost) inefficiencies due to insurers battling over coverage costs with health providers. To say nothing of how maddening it is to have to change doctors every time we change jobs, or to lose coverage for certain conditions when we change jobs, or to have to perfectly time certain life events such as childbirth or pregnancy to either before or after we change jobs, or to make sure we don't get sick during the probationary period while we're changing jobs, and so on.
vagrantJin 6y ago
Bruh. You have deep issues. No thinking thinks anything is free. Its free as in I can walk in get treated and walk out without having a cent or anyone asking about my credit details. The difference is in the quality of care as gov run hospitals have much tighter budget constraints and can't treat patients with as much delicacy as private medical institutions.
- fakedang 6y ago
  > You have deep issues Thanks for the personal attacks. Highly appreciated /s > The difference is in the quality of care as gov run hospitals have much tighter budget constraints and can't treat patients with as much delicacy as private medical institutions. Yet somehow places such as Singapore, Thailand and Japan manage to provide top notch healthcare even in government institutions, healthcare that is much better than most private European hospitals. And yes, my point was exactly about how a not insignificant number of people in Europe seem to think that their healthcare comes for free (because they don't pay tax for a variety of reasons).
  - inopinatus 6y ago
    No; everyone knows that goods and services, including those supplied by government, come at an economic cost. This slur of outright idiocy via economic illiteracy is fiction, and applying slurs to people from a specific region on the basis of their economic circumstances is bigotry 101, so the personal admonishment above is hardly surprising.
  - vagrantJin 6y ago
    Sure. Personal attacks are uncalled for and I retract that part of my statement. But the rest of my points still stand.
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kelnos 6y ago
Even if there is a large group of people who believe that, why do you care so much? How do their beliefs, as foolish as they may be, actually negatively impact you?

ratsforhorses 6y ago

Just a thought, "paying nil significant taxes" would mean lower or nil income...? we could also include refugees, prisoners in that group I guess.... these people, may also be providing a huge extra to society in the form of being low paid, having future potential or not adding to externalisation costs such as increased infrastructure needs higher income earners do... also I think the main criticisms of the US health system is that insurance is in most cases part of the job contract and that there are huge (cost) inefficiencies due to insurers battling over coverage costs with health providers... as an aside I live in Romania and as a low income earner I forgoe insurance because it's a lot cheaper to get care when I need it

jschwartzi 6y ago
> insurance is in most cases part of the job contract and that there are huge (cost) inefficiencies due to insurers battling over coverage costs with health providers. To say nothing of how maddening it is to have to change doctors every time we change jobs, or to lose coverage for certain conditions when we change jobs, or to have to perfectly time certain life events such as childbirth or pregnancy to either before or after we change jobs, or to make sure we don't get sick during the probationary period while we're changing jobs, and so on.

vagrantJin 6y ago

Bruh. You have deep issues. No thinking thinks anything is free. Its free as in I can walk in get treated and walk out without having a cent or anyone asking about my credit details. The difference is in the quality of care as gov run hospitals have much tighter budget constraints and can't treat patients with as much delicacy as private medical institutions.

fakedang 6y ago
> You have deep issues Thanks for the personal attacks. Highly appreciated /s > The difference is in the quality of care as gov run hospitals have much tighter budget constraints and can't treat patients with as much delicacy as private medical institutions. Yet somehow places such as Singapore, Thailand and Japan manage to provide top notch healthcare even in government institutions, healthcare that is much better than most private European hospitals. And yes, my point was exactly about how a not insignificant number of people in Europe seem to think that their healthcare comes for free (because they don't pay tax for a variety of reasons).
- inopinatus 6y ago
  No; everyone knows that goods and services, including those supplied by government, come at an economic cost. This slur of outright idiocy via economic illiteracy is fiction, and applying slurs to people from a specific region on the basis of their economic circumstances is bigotry 101, so the personal admonishment above is hardly surprising.
- vagrantJin 6y ago
  Sure. Personal attacks are uncalled for and I retract that part of my statement. But the rest of my points still stand.

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kelnos 6y ago

Even if there is a large group of people who believe that, why do you care so much? How do their beliefs, as foolish as they may be, actually negatively impact you?