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Same with the Audi. I don’t understand why all the car companies aren’t licensing the assistant technology from the big tech companies and using it as the defau

Same with the Audi. I don’t understand why all the car companies aren’t licensing the assistant technology from the big tech companies and using it as the default. I get Siri via car play, but even car play is sandboxed because it can’t control things like the radio or temperature.

stadium 5y ago
The procurement decisions for the infotainment system are made around 5 years in advance of the vehicle release. The tech is obsolete before the car leaves the dealership.
DrBazza 5y ago
Android Auto at least works, and that in turn has voice recognition that works. It's completely "meta" that I have to use voice recognition on my phone to call a number that triggers bluetooth that activates the hands-free and speaker in the car.
- idiotsecant 5y ago
  I would argue that in-car infotainment systems should be nothing but a dumb terminal into your phone. We already have devices with voice recognition, navigation, multimedia, etc. Why don't we have a way to just use that?
  - mattowen_uk 5y ago
    I've been looking for a single DIN car audio device that is nothing more than an amplifier with Bluetooth, but such a thing does not exist. My phone already does Music/Radio/Maps - all I need is the car head unit to connect to it and playback the audio through the car speakers. I've even started thinking about some sort of home built version using parts from a cheap Bluetooth speaker system (minus the actual speakers).
    - bentcorner 5y ago
      There's plenty of old-school single DIN devices that have bluetooth in them. You'll usually find they have a radio and other junk (e.g. mp3 over usb) but most are fairly simple and it shouldn't be hard to find one that stays in bluetooth mode all the time.
      - mattowen_uk 5y ago
        Yes, but they all look awful! XD
    - Pokepokalypse 5y ago
      BlueBus is nice; but it works with the stock BMW head unit (nicely supports steering wheel controls tho). It was for pre-bt-enabled BMW's but I think it's able to be adapted to all k-bus-based cars, so roughly 1998-2010?
  - DrBazza 5y ago
    I completely agree. I wouldn't be surprised if this is what happens. It's partly there already.
  - int_19h 5y ago
    Android Auto is pretty much that.
rkalla 5y ago
For the reason it took BMW so long to say yes to Android Auto - Amazon/Google will happily license the tech but want ALL the customer data off the car.
- propogandist 5y ago
  Few years back, and data collection techniques have only gotten more aggressive. https://www.motor1.com/news/239477/toyota-android-auto-privacy-concerns/ https://www.motor1.com/news/239477/toyota-android-auto-priva...
- propogandist 5y ago
  Here's an article from a few years back, from Toyota publicly stating they won't support Android Auto due to privacy concerns[1] It's not just Amazon/Google, car manufacturers like Hyundai are selling data to Verisk, a data broker, who in-turn sells the individuals driving data to insurance companies and other entities [2]. They get people to "opt-in" by offering people free 'connected services' which has data-sharing buried in the T&C. I'm sure other manufacturers are also going to do similar things as this allows them to generate additional, incremental revenue from user data about their end users. [1] https://www.motor1.com/news/239477/toyota-android-auto-privacy-concerns/ https://www.motor1.com/news/239477/toyota-android-auto-priva... [2] https://www.verisk.com/press-releases/2018/april/hyundai-joins-the-verisk-data-exchange/ https://www.verisk.com/press-releases/2018/april/hyundai-joi...
Alex5899 5y ago
If manufacturers use big tech voice assistance, it'd mean extra subscription for the car owners...really sick and tired of these "subscription" thingy. Microsoft Office used to offer one-time purchase, now it isn't an option. Are we going to have everything subscription eventually?
gambiting 5y ago
Because even the "big" tech from "big" companies is still shit. Have a 2020 LG TV with Google assistant built in, and it's a piece of hot garbage. Example: I frequently switch between display profiles to suit what I need. Saying "switch to cinema display mode" - works fine. Saying: "switch to user display mode" - 100% of the time results in the TV replying "which user would you like to select?". Like...it's not my fault that the dumb TV has the custom profile named "User". Google probably spent billions on voice recognition, but it's all worthless, because someone without an ounce of imagination just coded it to react to the words "change" and "user" as the user profile selector, the rest of the sentence be damned. But back to cars - Google Assistant in Android Auto is equally shit. Try saying "hey google, open spotify", then "hey google, play music". 100% of the time, it switches from Spotify to Google Music. It's insane.
- bombcar 5y ago
  The move to companies naming everything "Brand Name Generic Name" coincided with the move to voice assistants in the worst possible way. "iTunes" is unique but "Apple Music" is just two nouns - and we see this across so many properties.

stadium 5y ago

The procurement decisions for the infotainment system are made around 5 years in advance of the vehicle release. The tech is obsolete before the car leaves the dealership.

DrBazza 5y ago

Android Auto at least works, and that in turn has voice recognition that works. It's completely "meta" that I have to use voice recognition on my phone to call a number that triggers bluetooth that activates the hands-free and speaker in the car.

idiotsecant 5y ago
I would argue that in-car infotainment systems should be nothing but a dumb terminal into your phone. We already have devices with voice recognition, navigation, multimedia, etc. Why don't we have a way to just use that?
- mattowen_uk 5y ago
  I've been looking for a single DIN car audio device that is nothing more than an amplifier with Bluetooth, but such a thing does not exist. My phone already does Music/Radio/Maps - all I need is the car head unit to connect to it and playback the audio through the car speakers. I've even started thinking about some sort of home built version using parts from a cheap Bluetooth speaker system (minus the actual speakers).
  - bentcorner 5y ago
    There's plenty of old-school single DIN devices that have bluetooth in them. You'll usually find they have a radio and other junk (e.g. mp3 over usb) but most are fairly simple and it shouldn't be hard to find one that stays in bluetooth mode all the time.
    - mattowen_uk 5y ago
      Yes, but they all look awful! XD
  - Pokepokalypse 5y ago
    BlueBus is nice; but it works with the stock BMW head unit (nicely supports steering wheel controls tho). It was for pre-bt-enabled BMW's but I think it's able to be adapted to all k-bus-based cars, so roughly 1998-2010?
- DrBazza 5y ago
  I completely agree. I wouldn't be surprised if this is what happens. It's partly there already.
- int_19h 5y ago
  Android Auto is pretty much that.

rkalla 5y ago

For the reason it took BMW so long to say yes to Android Auto - Amazon/Google will happily license the tech but want ALL the customer data off the car.

propogandist 5y ago
Few years back, and data collection techniques have only gotten more aggressive. https://www.motor1.com/news/239477/toyota-android-auto-privacy-concerns/ https://www.motor1.com/news/239477/toyota-android-auto-priva...
propogandist 5y ago
Here's an article from a few years back, from Toyota publicly stating they won't support Android Auto due to privacy concerns[1] It's not just Amazon/Google, car manufacturers like Hyundai are selling data to Verisk, a data broker, who in-turn sells the individuals driving data to insurance companies and other entities [2]. They get people to "opt-in" by offering people free 'connected services' which has data-sharing buried in the T&C. I'm sure other manufacturers are also going to do similar things as this allows them to generate additional, incremental revenue from user data about their end users. [1] https://www.motor1.com/news/239477/toyota-android-auto-privacy-concerns/ https://www.motor1.com/news/239477/toyota-android-auto-priva... [2] https://www.verisk.com/press-releases/2018/april/hyundai-joins-the-verisk-data-exchange/ https://www.verisk.com/press-releases/2018/april/hyundai-joi...

Alex5899 5y ago

If manufacturers use big tech voice assistance, it'd mean extra subscription for the car owners...really sick and tired of these "subscription" thingy. Microsoft Office used to offer one-time purchase, now it isn't an option. Are we going to have everything subscription eventually?

gambiting 5y ago

Because even the "big" tech from "big" companies is still shit. Have a 2020 LG TV with Google assistant built in, and it's a piece of hot garbage. Example: I frequently switch between display profiles to suit what I need. Saying "switch to cinema display mode" - works fine. Saying: "switch to user display mode" - 100% of the time results in the TV replying "which user would you like to select?". Like...it's not my fault that the dumb TV has the custom profile named "User". Google probably spent billions on voice recognition, but it's all worthless, because someone without an ounce of imagination just coded it to react to the words "change" and "user" as the user profile selector, the rest of the sentence be damned. But back to cars - Google Assistant in Android Auto is equally shit. Try saying "hey google, open spotify", then "hey google, play music". 100% of the time, it switches from Spotify to Google Music. It's insane.

bombcar 5y ago
The move to companies naming everything "Brand Name Generic Name" coincided with the move to voice assistants in the worst possible way. "iTunes" is unique but "Apple Music" is just two nouns - and we see this across so many properties.