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I'm interested in sources that establish "how the majority of the public uses TVs". I've personally never seen anyone use TVs in line with the recommendations f

by elyobo 5y ago

I'm interested in sources that establish "how the majority of the public uses TVs". I've personally never seen anyone use TVs in line with the recommendations from TV manufacturers screen size and viewing distance. Maybe this is a USA cultural thing (or, contrary, maybe my own observed viewing habits are a cultural AU/NZ thing).

michaelmrose 5y ago
What about a house size and falling TV prices thing? Half of the US couldn't sit 16 feet from their TV if they tried. 1/3 of the US lives in apartments and 80% live in urban area where housing is comparatively more expensive. Even for slightly larger houses its common to have a living room and a family room and give up a lot of space to the individual bedrooms. It's supper likely that the TV is in a room that is between 12-18 and 15-20. With the TV on the long wall. Also for some reason sticking your TV on a stand is still pretty popular vs putting it on the wall. This means that in a 14' room your tv is between 0' and 1' off the wall and your rear end is 3' off the wall. This puts as little as 8' between viewer and tv in 12-18 and as much as 12' in the larger room if they hang it on the wall. How the US population is distributed is kind of interesting. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/09/03/how-so-many-of-the-worlds-people-live-in-so-little-of-its-space/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/09/03/how-s... Regarding the question of average living space in the US people in the US almost universally prefer single units detached housing but as the song goes you can't always get what you want. Many for example would prefer to be close to urban settings with more jobs. Others can only afford to rent. Among renters, around 1/3 of the population, half live in 111 sq meters or less 1/3 of owners live in domiciles of 167 sq meters or less and and 60% of owners live in domiciles 222 sq meters or less. Combining renters and owners 77% of Americans live in 222 sq meters, 54% live in 167 sq meters or less, 25% live in 111 sq meters or less. Some rounding and conversion between sq ft and meters. This means about a 1/4 each live in <= 111 sq meters 112-167 sq meters 168-222 sq meters > 222 sq meters https://www.frugalfringe.com/calculators/compare-your-homes-square-footage-to-nationwide-surveys-of-owners-and-renters/ https://www.frugalfringe.com/calculators/compare-your-homes-... The people paying lots for tiny apartments in the city think your 16' of open space in your living room is as unusual as you think they are with their relatively giant TVs in smaller spaces.
- elyobo 5y ago
  I'm not the person 16' from their 43" TV ;) Interesting, but doesn't tell me much - I live in an apartment, well under 111sqm, and have a 55" TV around 12' from the couch - so still too small / too far away, according to recommendations. People with even smaller living space (at ~80sqm, my apartment is reasonably large for a two bedroom unit where I live) may simply get smaller TVs to compensate, still being "too small". These are anecdotes. I'm curious about what people actually do, I don't know, and (contrary to your assertions about what most people do) it doesn't sound like you do either.
  - michaelmrose 5y ago
    I showed with data how many people live in relatively small spaces and asserted but didn't prove that Americans often devote much of their space budget to bedrooms and houses which have both a living and a family room wherein they had more budget to spare. This last shouldn't require a ton of proof. My assertion is that due to the above asserted space constraints the majority of people in America are 8-12' from their TV. I also assert that the same people are buying 60"+ TVs I linked a source that suggested that people could distinguish up to 115ppi at 8' If I understand correctly that means they ought to be able to distinguish about 90ppi at 12'. If these assertions are correct most people would benefit from 90-115ppi and based on THX recommendations would benefit from the increasingly popular and cheap large screens that people are provably buying despite living in not so huge spaces. In fact tv size purchases are trending upward based on what people can afford. https://www.consumerreports.org/lcd-led-oled-tvs/tv-trends-to-watch-for/ https://www.consumerreports.org/lcd-led-oled-tvs/tv-trends-t... A 60" 4k screen is only 73 ppi meaning we aren't beyond human visual acuity yet and 4k at 75" we are down to 59ppi. The majority of consumers will based on good visual acuity be able to distinguish between 4k and 8k in the room sizes and screen sizes where such products would be relevant and applicable and a median American would benefit.

by elyobo 5y ago

michaelmrose 5y ago

What about a house size and falling TV prices thing? Half of the US couldn't sit 16 feet from their TV if they tried. 1/3 of the US lives in apartments and 80% live in urban area where housing is comparatively more expensive. Even for slightly larger houses its common to have a living room and a family room and give up a lot of space to the individual bedrooms. It's supper likely that the TV is in a room that is between 12-18 and 15-20. With the TV on the long wall. Also for some reason sticking your TV on a stand is still pretty popular vs putting it on the wall. This means that in a 14' room your tv is between 0' and 1' off the wall and your rear end is 3' off the wall. This puts as little as 8' between viewer and tv in 12-18 and as much as 12' in the larger room if they hang it on the wall. How the US population is distributed is kind of interesting. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/09/03/how-so-many-of-the-worlds-people-live-in-so-little-of-its-space/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/09/03/how-s... Regarding the question of average living space in the US people in the US almost universally prefer single units detached housing but as the song goes you can't always get what you want. Many for example would prefer to be close to urban settings with more jobs. Others can only afford to rent. Among renters, around 1/3 of the population, half live in 111 sq meters or less 1/3 of owners live in domiciles of 167 sq meters or less and and 60% of owners live in domiciles 222 sq meters or less. Combining renters and owners 77% of Americans live in 222 sq meters, 54% live in 167 sq meters or less, 25% live in 111 sq meters or less. Some rounding and conversion between sq ft and meters. This means about a 1/4 each live in <= 111 sq meters 112-167 sq meters 168-222 sq meters > 222 sq meters https://www.frugalfringe.com/calculators/compare-your-homes-square-footage-to-nationwide-surveys-of-owners-and-renters/ https://www.frugalfringe.com/calculators/compare-your-homes-... The people paying lots for tiny apartments in the city think your 16' of open space in your living room is as unusual as you think they are with their relatively giant TVs in smaller spaces.

elyobo 5y ago
I'm not the person 16' from their 43" TV ;) Interesting, but doesn't tell me much - I live in an apartment, well under 111sqm, and have a 55" TV around 12' from the couch - so still too small / too far away, according to recommendations. People with even smaller living space (at ~80sqm, my apartment is reasonably large for a two bedroom unit where I live) may simply get smaller TVs to compensate, still being "too small". These are anecdotes. I'm curious about what people actually do, I don't know, and (contrary to your assertions about what most people do) it doesn't sound like you do either.
- michaelmrose 5y ago
  I showed with data how many people live in relatively small spaces and asserted but didn't prove that Americans often devote much of their space budget to bedrooms and houses which have both a living and a family room wherein they had more budget to spare. This last shouldn't require a ton of proof. My assertion is that due to the above asserted space constraints the majority of people in America are 8-12' from their TV. I also assert that the same people are buying 60"+ TVs I linked a source that suggested that people could distinguish up to 115ppi at 8' If I understand correctly that means they ought to be able to distinguish about 90ppi at 12'. If these assertions are correct most people would benefit from 90-115ppi and based on THX recommendations would benefit from the increasingly popular and cheap large screens that people are provably buying despite living in not so huge spaces. In fact tv size purchases are trending upward based on what people can afford. https://www.consumerreports.org/lcd-led-oled-tvs/tv-trends-to-watch-for/ https://www.consumerreports.org/lcd-led-oled-tvs/tv-trends-t... A 60" 4k screen is only 73 ppi meaning we aren't beyond human visual acuity yet and 4k at 75" we are down to 59ppi. The majority of consumers will based on good visual acuity be able to distinguish between 4k and 8k in the room sizes and screen sizes where such products would be relevant and applicable and a median American would benefit.