> Do you really think people who can't be bothered to learn and understand Hibernate properly are somehow going to take the time to learn and understand "vanill

> Do you really think people who can't be bothered to learn and understand Hibernate properly are somehow going to take the time to learn and understand "vanilla SQL"? Why? Because JPA is a magnitude larger space to learn than just SQL. Or more precisely: using Hibernate in simple applications (CRUD) will cause you issues very soon (sessions missing), some magical saving of data when you a set, doing filtering in streams (and now you take too much fields). Doing the same with SQL (using JDBC or something like JDBI) won't cause that for simple apps.