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The only thing that the argument clarifies is whether George Floyd told the truth or a lie at that particular moment in time. The drugs were in his system, and

The only thing that the argument clarifies is whether George Floyd told the truth or a lie at that particular moment in time. The drugs were in his system, and the amount of fentanyl in particular was not an insignificant dose, even for a person of his body weight. > No one deserves to die because they abuse drugs. Perhaps, but people do die due to their drug abuse often - whether through first- or higher-order outcomes of those choices. If someone ODs on drugs and dies, I'm not sure saying they "deserved," it would be appropriate or fair, but it would not incorrect to state that their own actions did not lead directly to the fatal outcome. Is it appropriate or fair to force people to conduct themselves in such a way that arguably avoids a fatal outcome in the special case of drug abusers? What about in the case of self-defense or law enforcement? I've watched the full unedited body cam footage. Cops approached Floyd in a running car, making his intoxication a significant public safety risk that could have led to injury/death. Especially after several viewings of the footage, there's no reason to believe that was not the origin of the heightened tensions and the anxieties that led to the chaotic police work carried out by Chauvin and his buddies.

akvadrako 6y ago
If someone ODs on drugs and dies, I'm not sure saying they "deserved," it would be appropriate or fair When is it appropriate to say somebody deserves something?
- Leparamour 6y ago
  >When is it appropriate to say somebody deserves something? When their own voluntary actions led to that outcome?
msrenee 5y ago
I'll go ahead and disclose that I found myself in a similar situation after attempting suicide by overdose. I was hallucinating and making no sense, not following direction, and I've been told I was trying to break into other people's vehicles looking for my truck. The cops assumed I was on meth, which is fair. After not being able to get me to admit to it because I had no idea what was going on and had never done meth, they called an ambulance and sent me off with the EMTs. If those cops had behaved the way the ones involved in George Floyd's death had, I would be dead. Which, of course, was my original intention. But the job of the police is to keep people safe. Whether they want it or not. When someone is obviously having a medical issue, they need to call an ambulance immediately.

akvadrako 6y ago

If someone ODs on drugs and dies, I'm not sure saying they "deserved," it would be appropriate or fair When is it appropriate to say somebody deserves something?

Leparamour 6y ago
>When is it appropriate to say somebody deserves something? When their own voluntary actions led to that outcome?

msrenee 5y ago

I'll go ahead and disclose that I found myself in a similar situation after attempting suicide by overdose. I was hallucinating and making no sense, not following direction, and I've been told I was trying to break into other people's vehicles looking for my truck. The cops assumed I was on meth, which is fair. After not being able to get me to admit to it because I had no idea what was going on and had never done meth, they called an ambulance and sent me off with the EMTs. If those cops had behaved the way the ones involved in George Floyd's death had, I would be dead. Which, of course, was my original intention. But the job of the police is to keep people safe. Whether they want it or not. When someone is obviously having a medical issue, they need to call an ambulance immediately.