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Hmm... weird. You’re right, it wasn’t described in The Communist Manifesto . Maybe I’m mixing up my sources (it’s definitely not in Das Kapital), but I remembe

Hmm... weird. You’re right, it wasn’t described in The Communist Manifesto . Maybe I’m mixing up my sources (it’s definitely not in Das Kapital), but I remembering him describe the commune where nobody owns property anymore, and the relationship between parent and child no longer exists - i.e children sleep e.g 50 to a room and are cared for by the commune and no longer the parents

vidarh 6y ago
Marx has to my knowledge never written anything remotely like that. Even well after Marx speculating about the specifics of future organisation of society was generally seen as un-Marxist and utopian. But this has echoes to me of Marx words on the bourgeois view on women, which he ridicules in the Communist Manifesto by claiming that some of them saw that communists wanted to remove private property and assumed that meant sharing women too, because they saw women as an economic asset, while of course he argued for no such thing. Engels went further than Marx in speculating about future societal structure, but he too to my knowledge only went as far as suggesting that society would have a responsibility for childcare. A statement that's easy to misconstrue into suggesting society take over responsibility overall vs. a responsibility for e.g. providing nursery options and school spaces. The idea of Marx arguing for children to be cared for by the commune in any case sounds like projection of the same kind as with women in seeing children as property where a statement about responsibility becomes a statement of ownership. Notably it is mostly rich people who think they have the right to treat children as property that can be shipped off to boarding school without a say in the matter.
- alfiedotwtf 6y ago
  Thanks for that. I was eagerly waiting for a reply :) Ok, looks like I’ll have to have a second parse of Communist Manifesto. I’m not sure where I got that info from then... but could have sworn I did a few double takes while going through Communist Manifesto because of these thoughts. Weird. > claiming that some of them saw that communists wanted to remove private property Apart from your woman comment from above, isn’t the removal of private property one of the primary aims of The Communist Manifesto? Seems fitting given his experience with property law that he began to hate the concept of it. Also, sorry... I don’t have anyone really to bounce my questions off on about this topic :)

vidarh 6y ago

Marx has to my knowledge never written anything remotely like that. Even well after Marx speculating about the specifics of future organisation of society was generally seen as un-Marxist and utopian. But this has echoes to me of Marx words on the bourgeois view on women, which he ridicules in the Communist Manifesto by claiming that some of them saw that communists wanted to remove private property and assumed that meant sharing women too, because they saw women as an economic asset, while of course he argued for no such thing. Engels went further than Marx in speculating about future societal structure, but he too to my knowledge only went as far as suggesting that society would have a responsibility for childcare. A statement that's easy to misconstrue into suggesting society take over responsibility overall vs. a responsibility for e.g. providing nursery options and school spaces. The idea of Marx arguing for children to be cared for by the commune in any case sounds like projection of the same kind as with women in seeing children as property where a statement about responsibility becomes a statement of ownership. Notably it is mostly rich people who think they have the right to treat children as property that can be shipped off to boarding school without a say in the matter.

alfiedotwtf 6y ago
Thanks for that. I was eagerly waiting for a reply :) Ok, looks like I’ll have to have a second parse of Communist Manifesto. I’m not sure where I got that info from then... but could have sworn I did a few double takes while going through Communist Manifesto because of these thoughts. Weird. > claiming that some of them saw that communists wanted to remove private property Apart from your woman comment from above, isn’t the removal of private property one of the primary aims of The Communist Manifesto? Seems fitting given his experience with property law that he began to hate the concept of it. Also, sorry... I don’t have anyone really to bounce my questions off on about this topic :)