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Sorry, for being so direct, but are we still talking about small business/enterprise organization or family and friends ? > has nothing to do with capital or r

by neatze 6y ago

Sorry, for being so direct, but are we still talking about small business/enterprise organization or family and friends ? > has nothing to do with capital or resources. Is most confusing point for me. In general, if you meant enforcing compliance, I would have different response, but you clearly did not mean that in your original post.

pjc50 6y ago
In any organisation, although it's more likely to be bad in small ones. I'm talking about the difference between the formal, process-related aspects of management and the social/anthropological/dominance aspects. All the stuff that matters once voices get raised and feelings get high. To tie this back to the original post: why is there information that subordinates have that would potentially improve the business, that they want to give to their seniors, but they don't? It's because that information is uncomfortable. Also, all the stuff in the original article below "Incredible amounts of harassment of any kind". Why do business deals get done at strip clubs in the first place? It's not in the company's interest, it happens because those involved have enough power to use company resources for their own purposes and enjoy all the little displays of dominance involved in such an outing.
- neatze 6y ago
  > social/anthropological/dominance aspects Are highly subjective when compared to "formal" management functions. > All the stuff that matters once voices get raised and feelings get high. This is clear aspect of conflict resolution, if management process is optimal such situation are rare cases. Undoubtedly, there are cases where you have to change tone to get point across, this only can be rationally justified if all other means fails. > why is there information that subordinates have that would potentially improve the business, that they want to give to their seniors, but they don't? It's because that information is uncomfortable. This is only one of the so many reason why this can happen, in general, learning, negations, feedback, are all uncomfortable processes to a degree. The major factor why there is failures to improve organization process is shared understanding that is bases of communication, in addition to risks, responsibility individual mechanisms. > Why do business deals get done at strip clubs in the first place? There some aspect important aspect of social interaction before business deal similarly as there is dating before marriage. > It's not in the company's interest, it happens because those involved have enough power to use company resources for their own purposes and enjoy all the little displays of dominance involved in such an outing. Such narrow view is simply false.

by neatze 6y ago

pjc50 6y ago

In any organisation, although it's more likely to be bad in small ones. I'm talking about the difference between the formal, process-related aspects of management and the social/anthropological/dominance aspects. All the stuff that matters once voices get raised and feelings get high. To tie this back to the original post: why is there information that subordinates have that would potentially improve the business, that they want to give to their seniors, but they don't? It's because that information is uncomfortable. Also, all the stuff in the original article below "Incredible amounts of harassment of any kind". Why do business deals get done at strip clubs in the first place? It's not in the company's interest, it happens because those involved have enough power to use company resources for their own purposes and enjoy all the little displays of dominance involved in such an outing.

neatze 6y ago
> social/anthropological/dominance aspects Are highly subjective when compared to "formal" management functions. > All the stuff that matters once voices get raised and feelings get high. This is clear aspect of conflict resolution, if management process is optimal such situation are rare cases. Undoubtedly, there are cases where you have to change tone to get point across, this only can be rationally justified if all other means fails. > why is there information that subordinates have that would potentially improve the business, that they want to give to their seniors, but they don't? It's because that information is uncomfortable. This is only one of the so many reason why this can happen, in general, learning, negations, feedback, are all uncomfortable processes to a degree. The major factor why there is failures to improve organization process is shared understanding that is bases of communication, in addition to risks, responsibility individual mechanisms. > Why do business deals get done at strip clubs in the first place? There some aspect important aspect of social interaction before business deal similarly as there is dating before marriage. > It's not in the company's interest, it happens because those involved have enough power to use company resources for their own purposes and enjoy all the little displays of dominance involved in such an outing. Such narrow view is simply false.