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Funny, that’s the same arm position I use to pay with my Apple/Garmin/Google watch, and I didn’t have to consult a medical professional to do it. I don’t mean

Funny, that’s the same arm position I use to pay with my Apple/Garmin/Google watch, and I didn’t have to consult a medical professional to do it. I don’t mean to be dismissive. But such an objection isn’t even mentioned on the web page. Just “forget about ...Smartpay” (I assume that means NFC of some sort). Hey, whoa, back up; how about we not forget about it and you folks tell me how this is better than a watch.

amoshi 6y ago
It can't be stolen. You can't lose it. You can't forget it. You don't need to charge it.
- ddingus 6y ago
  It can be stolen, and part of you goes with it. Think it won't happen? Really?
  - amoshi 6y ago
    The barrier of entry to theft is raised from pick-pocketing and mugging in alleys to chopping off a limb, no doubt it'll happen but I'm certain it'll be MUCH much rarer.
    - TeMPOraL 6y ago
      Yeah, in reality, the common case will be just cutting it out of victim's arm with a knife. It's much less messy than chopping off a limb, doable very quickly by a team of two people (one presenting a threat, other performing the field surgery), and doesn't require carrying around large cutting tools.
      - eptcyka 6y ago
        Yes, but that requires a quiet enough location or a kidnapping, both of which are far more complicated than a regular stealthy pickpocketing.
      - amoshi 6y ago
        Cutting into people's flesh and taking out an implant will discourage petty/squeamish/opportunity thiefs, furthermore you'd need to know which arm the implant is in and where. I'm not sure about the exact size of the implant but cutting it out in a dark alley from a bloodied wound will certainly take more effort than grabbing a wallet from someone pocket. More effort -> Less frequency
        TeMPOraL 6y ago
        > furthermore you'd need to know which arm the implant is in and where That's easy. Just swipe your smartphone over someone's arm until it beeps, then use your fingers (or phone's flashlight) to find it. Shouldn't take more than 3 seconds.
  - trizzle21 6y ago
    It also only lasts 5 years so you need surgery every 5 years to replace it
    - ddingus 6y ago
      Hard pass on that basis alone.
- spicybright 6y ago
  You can't upgrade it if payment systems change. It's impossible for an implant to be 0 risk. Removal is more complicated than implanting. You can't change the data on it, so if you get skimmed you need a new implant. However if it is re-writable (some are) you'll need to know someone/buy expensive specialized hardware. I say all the above as someone with a magnet implant in my finger for the past 6 years. I still love having done it. But for practical uses like payment systems in an implant sounds like a horrible idea. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_implant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_implant)
  - EveYoung 6y ago
    Would you mind sharing your reasons for getting a magnetic implant? According the the wiki article, it's mainly used for "feeling" magnetic fields?
  - moistbar 6y ago
    > You can't change the data on it, so if you get skimmed you need a new implant. If it's basically an NFC tag, can't you make it read-write? Or is this potentially doing something more than that? Also, how did you get the magnet implanted? Despite having no use for it myself, I still kinda want one.
- causality0 6y ago
  So this will come in handy the day you get robbed after forgetting to charge your phone and decide you'd rather carry on with your afternoon rather than go to the police and then back home. In all seriousness, I forget my wallet more often than someone my age should. Keeping an extra couple of twenties in my car has stopped that from ever once being a problem. I've never felt the need to have a payment option on my phone or smartwatch, let alone implanted in my arm. What happens when you decide to change banks?
  - musingsole 6y ago
    In all seriousness, you're not taking it seriously. For you, mugging isn't a real concern. Congrats? For others, it really is. And beyond that, you admit to having a minor need this could address. Can you understand that for others that same need is much larger due to other circumstances?
- 8128js8121 6y ago
  Wrong, You can clone NFC quite easily, You cant clone a bank card however. This is why you cant just get a NFC chip implanted and clone your bank card onto it.
  - c22 6y ago
    Saying this is like saying you can "clone radio quite easily". Some NFC technologies can be easily cloned, some are harder. "Tap to pay" bank cards use NFC technologies.
- m463 6y ago
  someone cloned you and we're send you a new you in the mail.
spicybright 6y ago
It's also funny because a watch would block the chip in your arm if that's the case lol

amoshi 6y ago

It can't be stolen. You can't lose it. You can't forget it. You don't need to charge it.

ddingus 6y ago
It can be stolen, and part of you goes with it. Think it won't happen? Really?
- amoshi 6y ago
  The barrier of entry to theft is raised from pick-pocketing and mugging in alleys to chopping off a limb, no doubt it'll happen but I'm certain it'll be MUCH much rarer.
  - TeMPOraL 6y ago
    Yeah, in reality, the common case will be just cutting it out of victim's arm with a knife. It's much less messy than chopping off a limb, doable very quickly by a team of two people (one presenting a threat, other performing the field surgery), and doesn't require carrying around large cutting tools.
    - eptcyka 6y ago
      Yes, but that requires a quiet enough location or a kidnapping, both of which are far more complicated than a regular stealthy pickpocketing.
    - amoshi 6y ago
      Cutting into people's flesh and taking out an implant will discourage petty/squeamish/opportunity thiefs, furthermore you'd need to know which arm the implant is in and where. I'm not sure about the exact size of the implant but cutting it out in a dark alley from a bloodied wound will certainly take more effort than grabbing a wallet from someone pocket. More effort -> Less frequency
      - TeMPOraL 6y ago
        > furthermore you'd need to know which arm the implant is in and where That's easy. Just swipe your smartphone over someone's arm until it beeps, then use your fingers (or phone's flashlight) to find it. Shouldn't take more than 3 seconds.
- trizzle21 6y ago
  It also only lasts 5 years so you need surgery every 5 years to replace it
  - ddingus 6y ago
    Hard pass on that basis alone.
spicybright 6y ago
You can't upgrade it if payment systems change. It's impossible for an implant to be 0 risk. Removal is more complicated than implanting. You can't change the data on it, so if you get skimmed you need a new implant. However if it is re-writable (some are) you'll need to know someone/buy expensive specialized hardware. I say all the above as someone with a magnet implant in my finger for the past 6 years. I still love having done it. But for practical uses like payment systems in an implant sounds like a horrible idea. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_implant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_implant)
- EveYoung 6y ago
  Would you mind sharing your reasons for getting a magnetic implant? According the the wiki article, it's mainly used for "feeling" magnetic fields?
- moistbar 6y ago
  > You can't change the data on it, so if you get skimmed you need a new implant. If it's basically an NFC tag, can't you make it read-write? Or is this potentially doing something more than that? Also, how did you get the magnet implanted? Despite having no use for it myself, I still kinda want one.
causality0 6y ago
So this will come in handy the day you get robbed after forgetting to charge your phone and decide you'd rather carry on with your afternoon rather than go to the police and then back home. In all seriousness, I forget my wallet more often than someone my age should. Keeping an extra couple of twenties in my car has stopped that from ever once being a problem. I've never felt the need to have a payment option on my phone or smartwatch, let alone implanted in my arm. What happens when you decide to change banks?
- musingsole 6y ago
  In all seriousness, you're not taking it seriously. For you, mugging isn't a real concern. Congrats? For others, it really is. And beyond that, you admit to having a minor need this could address. Can you understand that for others that same need is much larger due to other circumstances?
8128js8121 6y ago
Wrong, You can clone NFC quite easily, You cant clone a bank card however. This is why you cant just get a NFC chip implanted and clone your bank card onto it.
- c22 6y ago
  Saying this is like saying you can "clone radio quite easily". Some NFC technologies can be easily cloned, some are harder. "Tap to pay" bank cards use NFC technologies.
m463 6y ago
someone cloned you and we're send you a new you in the mail.

spicybright 6y ago

It's also funny because a watch would block the chip in your arm if that's the case lol