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Yeah I just watched some videos that is extremely related by this modern homesteader (and YouTuber! -- apparently he was on the TV show "Alone"). He says "one

by chubot 6y ago

Yeah I just watched some videos that is extremely related by this modern homesteader (and YouTuber! -- apparently he was on the TV show "Alone"). He says "one of the best pieces of advice I've ever gotten is: Don't trade a gun for a snow machine". This is exactly what you're saying, and it's backed up by a lot of experience living without power and water! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH15Kua5P1Y&t=918s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH15Kua5P1Y&t=918s He also says "everyone one of us has to decide when to jump ship on a technology" He says canoes peaked in the 1960's, and you can buy a used one for like $125 that's the same as what you'd buy today for thousands. Same with hand saws. He maintains old saws and chainsaws and uses them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH15Kua5P1Y&t=746s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH15Kua5P1Y&t=746s when you look at any kind of manufactured goods a lot of things have reached their peak and are either poorer quality than they used to be or they're just the same quality as their peak ---- I found this channel via a video about building an off grid cabin from scratch for a couple thousand dollars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOOXmfkXpkM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOOXmfkXpkM It's good -- a lot of it is built by hand with a hammer and nails. He even says load bearing screws are too expensive, and nails are better! All of the advice reminds me of Taleb, because it's not necessarily trying to be "right", but rather distilling rules of thumb from practice.

Spooky23 6y ago
My favorite example of the quality issue is the “whirly pop”, a stovetop popcorn maker. The old one my parents had was aluminum with a metal gear. The modern version has been MBAed to death — the gear is plastic, and the lid is so thin that you could probably replicate it with 2 plys of aluminum foil. It costs more and is measurably worse in any dimension.
- photojosh 6y ago
  I recently bought a leaf blower/vac mulcher. Took me way longer than it should to figure out that the difference between the $50 model and the $100 one was that the latter had a metal mulching blade instead of a plastic one, and that the former would likely break as soon as I vacced up a stick that was a bit too big. Thanks random forum poster!
ghaff 6y ago
I only somewhat agree with respect to canoes. Grummans are great and they're still being made (though not by the original company). However, for recreational/tripping/whitewater, Royalex-based canoes were better for a variety of reasons. Unfortunately the material is no longer being made because its intended use (Go Carts) didn't take off to the degree planned. The company continued to make it on a more or less breakeven basis but upon a change of ownership the new owner decided to scrap it. There have been one or two efforts to make something equivalent, but AFAIK they haven't panned out. There are still plenty of well-made fiberglass/Kevlar boats being made but they're much more fragile.

by chubot 6y ago

Spooky23 6y ago

My favorite example of the quality issue is the “whirly pop”, a stovetop popcorn maker. The old one my parents had was aluminum with a metal gear. The modern version has been MBAed to death — the gear is plastic, and the lid is so thin that you could probably replicate it with 2 plys of aluminum foil. It costs more and is measurably worse in any dimension.

photojosh 6y ago
I recently bought a leaf blower/vac mulcher. Took me way longer than it should to figure out that the difference between the $50 model and the $100 one was that the latter had a metal mulching blade instead of a plastic one, and that the former would likely break as soon as I vacced up a stick that was a bit too big. Thanks random forum poster!

ghaff 6y ago

I only somewhat agree with respect to canoes. Grummans are great and they're still being made (though not by the original company). However, for recreational/tripping/whitewater, Royalex-based canoes were better for a variety of reasons. Unfortunately the material is no longer being made because its intended use (Go Carts) didn't take off to the degree planned. The company continued to make it on a more or less breakeven basis but upon a change of ownership the new owner decided to scrap it. There have been one or two efforts to make something equivalent, but AFAIK they haven't panned out. There are still plenty of well-made fiberglass/Kevlar boats being made but they're much more fragile.