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Walletmor Payment Implant
- ddingus 6y agoWhat could go wrong? Might I suggest implanting in your non dominant limb?
- ent101 6y agoThis is actually a very good point. I'm sure some people won't mind cutting a limb just to steal your wallet.
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- ddingus 6y agoYeah, I was entirely serious. Scary thoughts.
- spicybright 6y agoEhhh, I don't know about that. Pick pocketing vs kidnapping, finding a place to cut the arm off, tooling, clean up, potential body disposal. I can't see that being worth a credit card number vs mugging or pick pocketing someone.
- ddingus 6y agoDepends on the someone doesn't it?
- mikestew 6y agoFunny, that’s the same arm position I use to pay with my Apple/Garmin/Google watch, and I didn’t have to consult a medical professional to do it. I don’t mean to be dismissive. But such an objection isn’t even mentioned on the web page. Just “forget about ...Smartpay” (I assume that means NFC of some sort). Hey, whoa, back up; how about we not forget about it and you folks tell me how this is better than a watch.
- amoshi 6y agoIt can't be stolen. You can't lose it. You can't forget it. You don't need to charge it.
- ddingus 6y agoIt can be stolen, and part of you goes with it. Think it won't happen? Really?
- amoshi 6y agoThe barrier of entry to theft is raised from pick-pocketing and mugging in alleys to chopping off a limb, no doubt it'll happen but I'm certain it'll be MUCH much rarer.
- TeMPOraL 6y agoYeah, in reality, the common case will be just cutting it out of victim's arm with a knife. It's much less messy than chopping off a limb, doable very quickly by a team of two people (one presenting a threat, other performing the field surgery), and doesn't require carrying around large cutting tools.
- eptcyka 6y agoYes, but that requires a quiet enough location or a kidnapping, both of which are far more complicated than a regular stealthy pickpocketing.
- amoshi 6y agoCutting into people's flesh and taking out an implant will discourage petty/squeamish/opportunity thiefs, furthermore you'd need to know which arm the implant is in and where. I'm not sure about the exact size of the implant but cutting it out in a dark alley from a bloodied wound will certainly take more effort than grabbing a wallet from someone pocket. More effort -> Less frequency
- lucasmullens 6y agoImagine your first credit card. Now imagine you're still stuck using it because it's physically embedded in you.
- ent101 6y agoGood material for the next Black Mirror season.
- zaczekadam 6y agoI can't see myself using such product in any foreseeable future but I'm interested if there's any demand for this. I can see a virality potential.
- wqsz7xn 6y agoFor some reason the 'How It Works' section of this website cracks me up. Specifically 'Arrange the installation with a specialist' bit. The wording just feels so weird.
- newnamenewface 6y agoMake sure it's someone you trust! Lol, I usually go to the back alley doctor-bankers for my routine payment-procedures.
- yoz-y 6y agoVisit your nearest RipperDoc.
- Raed667 6y agoFor payment, absolutely not! For unlocking a car, a motorcycle, a door, etc.. Could be a cool idea.
- spicybright 6y agoThere's been a few projects people have made like this! https://youtu.be/RKrE4hK6ZI8?t=762 https://youtu.be/RKrE4hK6ZI8?t=762 is one example. I'm sure everything you listed has at least been tried by someone at some point.
- benja123 6y agoI am just imagining what happens when your implant details are stolen and used for fraud... Will you have to remove it and get a new implant? Seriously though, I am going to assume(hope) this is not real...
- danaugrs 6y agoSo if I get this, I will have to worry about potentially paying anyone that approaches my wrist with something that could contain a radio? Someone should create another startup that embeds tiny contactless credit card machines on wrists lol.
- TruthWillHurt 6y agoSame as a contactless credit card. There are readers on the darknet that can read 10 cards per-second. But at least you could put your card in a protective wallet, and card company will refund any fraudulant transactions. An NRF blocking sleeve perhaps? :D
- vimax 6y agoYou could by a blocking watch that selectively unblocks transactions when authorized. Problem solved.
- chrisdsaldivar 6y agoAt that point you may as well just use a smart watch for payments.
- spicybright 6y agoYou need to be very close to trigger a read, so you'd pretty much have to take the watch off to scan.
- musingsole 6y agoBy that same token, doesn't someone have to get really close to steal it?
- koheripbal 6y agoIf it were open source and externally programmable by me alone via some private/public key cryptography - I would be ok with this.
- zffr 6y agoFor €199 ($237) why not just get an Apple Watch Series 3 ($199/$229)? It also supports payments, can help you improve your health, show you the weather, and can even tell you the time ;)
- intricatedetail 6y agoIt's not Apple.
- yoz-y 6y agoCarving up your body just to stick it to Apple is a bit excessive. Also, there are non-apple options or watches with NFC payment.
- walrus01 6y agoI'm about 60% certain this is some kind of social commentary satire art project, and 40% certain this is actually a real company. Something designed to troll the credulous, sort of like bonsai kitten. If it's a real thing: This appears to be linked to the Polish domestic banking sector? So primarily of use there. What's stopping you from just getting the implant, loading up some money/payment method on it, and two-part epoxying it into a 3D printed TPU plastic bracelet. Something fitbit sized. Its functionality as a payment method does not appear to require it to be implanted. You could even glue it into a hard shell of a plastic fob and keep it on your keychain.
- Geee 6y agoAre you serious? If you put the chip on a plastic card, then it becomes a standard credit card. The idea is to embed the chip on you, so you don't have to carry a credit card. It's literally the same standard chip.
- walrus01 6y agoYes, my point was to illustrate the ridiculousness of the concept. Get something implanted in yourself that will probably be obsolete in less than 10 years.
- musingsole 6y agoPacemakers are like that. For a much more serious problem, but likewise the surgery in this case is mundane and low risk. While methods to attack these could be developed, until they are and are applied to you, you'd have a fallback payment method if you were mugged or otherwise inconvenienced.
- EveYoung 6y agoI guess it's a "cool" gadget for a very niche group of people. Maybe it's just me, but getting a large RFID chip injected seems like a fairly invasive procedure.
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- intricatedetail 6y agoYou still have to use chip and pin every 5 transactions or if you go over £130 whichever comes first? Most terminals in the UK require to insert card. Oh.
- smitty1110 6y agoI think the TSA will not be amused the first time someone takes one of these through a security checkpoint.
- mekkkkkk 6y agoTo be fair they are probably used to similar situations. Plenty of metal fixings in people today.
- wfriesen 6y agoThey contain very little metal, so will not set off any metal detectors. I have a similar sized implant, but not this one, and have no trouble at airports.
- gruez 6y agoThe metal detectors at the airports I've been to can't seem to pick up small pieces of metal eg. metal usb sticks[1], or small coins. [1] something like https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91fbTWqCoiL._AC_SL1500_.jpg https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91fbTWqCoiL...
- mikeiz404 6y ago“the implant does not violate the basic privacy principles and does not track your location because it does not have GPS and no systems that allow you to spy on or track your location.” I get that this is NFC but how is privacy in all other areas handled? What are these privacy principles? Can the data be updated without removal? From the Wikipedia page on the NFC standard mentioned it states “In "card emulation mode" an NFC device should transmit, at a minimum, a unique ID number to a reader.” Is this ID stable? What protocol are you using on top of the NFC frame data for payment?
- unnouinceput 6y agoNoScript says 9 domains are need it for this page to be properly rendered. Hard pass.
- mamp 6y agoWith the rapidly increasing problem of resistance to known antibiotics the idea of voluntarily implanting a foreign body in yourself seems crazy to me. WHO says "Antibiotic resistance is one of the biggest threats to global health, food security, and development today". But, hey if it helps if you forget your phone or watch...
- alisonkisk 6y agoThere are a few companies collaborating in this space. More: https://www.vivokey.com/distributors https://www.vivokey.com/distributors The fine print is that they are selling you an implant, but you need to implant it yourself, and then aren't promising that it works for anything. FWIW, we microchip pets with a quick injection, so this idea is totally plausible technically.
- mekkkkkk 6y agoHaven't bio-hackers been shoving NFC chips into themselves for quite a while already? It's interesting that it is getting commercialized, but it still feels very much like a novelty thing for cyberpunk fans.
- floatingatoll 6y agoHas anyone solved the “bodies like to break down intrusive chips” problem with those yet?
- anotherevan 6y agoThis will bring a whole new level of pain to hardware upgrades.
- oblib 6y agoThey've got a video: https://youtu.be/H6oa3wy-CA4 https://youtu.be/H6oa3wy-CA4
- gotoeleven 6y agoFinally a way to charge per orifice!
- doctor_eval 6y agoSo now a handshake becomes an attack vector..?
- No1 6y agoI’d much rather have someone steal my watch than my arm.
- unixhero 6y agoThis can't be the future we want.