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I'm neither a java dev nor Android dev, but our android guy left the team and I had to maintain our android app. Gradle is really a huge burden for me to get t

I'm neither a java dev nor Android dev, but our android guy left the team and I had to maintain our android app. Gradle is really a huge burden for me to get the app up and running and for someone who was only lightly interested into doing small changes one the fly, gradle was totally upsetting. I think it kinda fits into tools that suit much large scale projects, while they fall short to address small scale projects.

pjmlp 5y ago
Android is the only reason Gradle is still relevant, had it not been for Google pushing it, maybe some key manager just loves it, it would be almost irrelevant on the Java world.
- EvilEy3 5y ago
  > Android is the only reason Gradle is still relevant And this small thing called Spring, maybe you heard about it? But yeah, other than that it is almost irrelevant, if you count Netflix, Adyen and thousands of other companies irrelevant.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    Nah, that is just Pivotal following Java fashion as usually, Spring has been always usable with Maven. Netflix and Adyen are indeed irrelevant in the context of Java consulting.
    - fcurts 5y ago
      Fortune 100 here. Gradle is the dominant Java build tool (thousands of projects). I haven't seen a single project move back to Maven. Some projects are moving to Bazel, but that's not a walk in the park either.
      - pjmlp 5y ago
        This Fortune 100 on this side doesn't do Gradle other than for Android, I am yet to see a JEE, SAP, LifeRay or AEM project using Gradle in production.
        fcurts 5y ago
        That must be why you are so misinformed about Gradle.
        pjmlp 5y ago
        And you about Maven, thankfully I don't have to touch Gradle beyond Android builds. When Fuchsia finally happens, not even that.
    - EvilEy3 5y ago
      > Nah, that is just Pivotal following Java fashion as usually, Spring has been always usable with Maven What do you mean "usable with Maven"? They've migrated to Gradle because Maven wasn't cut for the task anymore. > Netflix and Adyen are indeed irrelevant in the context of Java consulting. Sorry, but products are far more credible to me than sweatshops that exist to milk other businesses.
      - pjmlp 5y ago
        Again, Spring is usable with Maven as it ever was. Pivotal is always chasing the latest fad in Java community as means to attract developers, almost every JVM guest language and build system has at a given time had Spring first class support, then it was removed when it stopped being cool. Sorry, but Netflix could be using Brainfuck and it wouldn't affect anything outside their building, without any relevant meanint to the actual quality of their product. If anything it just proves that Netflix is able to deliver despite the tooling they happen to choose.

pjmlp 5y ago

Android is the only reason Gradle is still relevant, had it not been for Google pushing it, maybe some key manager just loves it, it would be almost irrelevant on the Java world.

EvilEy3 5y ago
> Android is the only reason Gradle is still relevant And this small thing called Spring, maybe you heard about it? But yeah, other than that it is almost irrelevant, if you count Netflix, Adyen and thousands of other companies irrelevant.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  Nah, that is just Pivotal following Java fashion as usually, Spring has been always usable with Maven. Netflix and Adyen are indeed irrelevant in the context of Java consulting.
  - fcurts 5y ago
    Fortune 100 here. Gradle is the dominant Java build tool (thousands of projects). I haven't seen a single project move back to Maven. Some projects are moving to Bazel, but that's not a walk in the park either.
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      This Fortune 100 on this side doesn't do Gradle other than for Android, I am yet to see a JEE, SAP, LifeRay or AEM project using Gradle in production.
      - fcurts 5y ago
        That must be why you are so misinformed about Gradle.
        pjmlp 5y ago
        And you about Maven, thankfully I don't have to touch Gradle beyond Android builds. When Fuchsia finally happens, not even that.
  - EvilEy3 5y ago
    > Nah, that is just Pivotal following Java fashion as usually, Spring has been always usable with Maven What do you mean "usable with Maven"? They've migrated to Gradle because Maven wasn't cut for the task anymore. > Netflix and Adyen are indeed irrelevant in the context of Java consulting. Sorry, but products are far more credible to me than sweatshops that exist to milk other businesses.
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      Again, Spring is usable with Maven as it ever was. Pivotal is always chasing the latest fad in Java community as means to attract developers, almost every JVM guest language and build system has at a given time had Spring first class support, then it was removed when it stopped being cool. Sorry, but Netflix could be using Brainfuck and it wouldn't affect anything outside their building, without any relevant meanint to the actual quality of their product. If anything it just proves that Netflix is able to deliver despite the tooling they happen to choose.