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Any government is fragile. Democracy is fragile. Look at the US for example. The institutions don't hold up on their own: people have to fight for democracy. De

Any government is fragile. Democracy is fragile. Look at the US for example. The institutions don't hold up on their own: people have to fight for democracy. Democracy is actually worth dying over, compared to what tyranny offers. The Americans got lucky, at the end of the day, with the coup attempt. I am a dual US|Croatian (European Union) citizen, and I find your comment thoughtless and offensive. (I don't downvote.) In my country (Croatia), if you want to leave the EU, usually you straight up want war with our neighbors. The history of the EU started with the European Coal and Steel Community, which was created as a solution for "what to do after empire".

waihtis 6y ago
I am a Finnish (European Union) citizen and the fact that the EU has a fragile structure has literally nothing to do with the regional wars you've been fighting. It's a strawman of the worst kind and one that I'm tired of hearing; "anti-EU sentiment? You must be a racist and/or a warmonger/nazi/Russia sympathizer/[insert other negative character here]!" Fact is that the European Union lacks the flexibility required to build such a superstructure. Everyone knows EU is a bureaucratic hell, and the further we "progress" with EU, the worse it gets with the top-down politics. For crying out loud, the UK already left the EU! And still you have the guts to "take offense" in even suggesting that the pipe dreams of the suits in Brussels will not realize? Feel free to refute instead of playing the offense card and using logical fallacies.
- disabled 6y ago
  Dude, calm down. I can hear your anger through your text. Look, I am sorry. However, I am not going to argue with someone who is clearly upset. EDIT: BTW, I cannot reply to your lower post. I did consult the HN guidelines and I know for a fact that I did not break any rules.
  - waihtis 6y ago
    I fully admit to taking offense with people like you who drop illogical zero-value comments into discussions with the intent of causing arguments. That is why I dont use Twitter. Please read the HN guidelines before making your next comment.
- kaba0 6y ago
  Whether or not UK leaving was good for them or the EU is very debatable. It was a demagogue vote, that many wanted reverted as soon as it passed. And as for the EU, sure it is a bureaucratic hell, but it’s core values are imo at the right place.
  - waihtis 6y ago
    > And as for the EU, sure it is a bureaucratic hell, but it’s core values are imo at the right place. This is the most dangerous attitude you can take and an example of how fragility is built; when focus is on values/intent rather than outcome, bad things happen. See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward Btw, to not be misunderstood, I’m not anti EU by all measures, rather against the governance structure and the increasing drive to going into a full-blown federation

waihtis 6y ago

I am a Finnish (European Union) citizen and the fact that the EU has a fragile structure has literally nothing to do with the regional wars you've been fighting. It's a strawman of the worst kind and one that I'm tired of hearing; "anti-EU sentiment? You must be a racist and/or a warmonger/nazi/Russia sympathizer/[insert other negative character here]!" Fact is that the European Union lacks the flexibility required to build such a superstructure. Everyone knows EU is a bureaucratic hell, and the further we "progress" with EU, the worse it gets with the top-down politics. For crying out loud, the UK already left the EU! And still you have the guts to "take offense" in even suggesting that the pipe dreams of the suits in Brussels will not realize? Feel free to refute instead of playing the offense card and using logical fallacies.

disabled 6y ago
Dude, calm down. I can hear your anger through your text. Look, I am sorry. However, I am not going to argue with someone who is clearly upset. EDIT: BTW, I cannot reply to your lower post. I did consult the HN guidelines and I know for a fact that I did not break any rules.
- waihtis 6y ago
  I fully admit to taking offense with people like you who drop illogical zero-value comments into discussions with the intent of causing arguments. That is why I dont use Twitter. Please read the HN guidelines before making your next comment.
kaba0 6y ago
Whether or not UK leaving was good for them or the EU is very debatable. It was a demagogue vote, that many wanted reverted as soon as it passed. And as for the EU, sure it is a bureaucratic hell, but it’s core values are imo at the right place.
- waihtis 6y ago
  > And as for the EU, sure it is a bureaucratic hell, but it’s core values are imo at the right place. This is the most dangerous attitude you can take and an example of how fragility is built; when focus is on values/intent rather than outcome, bad things happen. See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward Btw, to not be misunderstood, I’m not anti EU by all measures, rather against the governance structure and the increasing drive to going into a full-blown federation