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Iran and Israel stopped being friends after the Islamic revolution when Iran’s government declared Israel is a sworn enemy. Hopefully one day that will change

Iran and Israel stopped being friends after the Islamic revolution when Iran’s government declared Israel is a sworn enemy. Hopefully one day that will change and we can be friends again as no one gains from the conflict.

sudosysgen 6y ago
A democratic Iran will always be the enemy of Israel. Israel is a nuclear-armed ethnostate engaging in ethnic cleansing that protects these transgressions by operating as the FOB of the hegemonic world power that doesn't blink an eye at killing a million citizens in the region. So long as Israel requires US support to safeguard their otherwise untenable position (and to force Arab dictatorships to act favorably towards Israel), Iran and Israel will be opposed. Iran and Israel were allied before the revolution because the undemocratic government (not that the current one is anymore democratic otherwise) that was willing to act against its interests on the matter so long as the dominant foreign powers required it. It's categorically false that no one gains from the conflict. Israel gains tremendously from the conflict as the antagonism between Iran and Israel and between Iran and the USA is what justifies its ability to get away with so much.
- shmerl 6y ago
  > A democratic Iran will always be the enemy of Israel. Not really. They have nothing to quarrel about. But there is nothing democratic about today's Iran. Theocratic fascists on the other hand need an enemy to distract from complete failure of internal politics and collapsing economy due to spending all their resources on war and funding criminals and terrorists abroad.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    >But there is nothing democratic about today's Iran. Theocratic fascists on the other hand need an enemy to distract from complete failure of internal politics and collapsing economy due to spending all their resources on war and funding criminals and terrorists abroad. I explicitly said they weren't. You're preaching for the choir. >Not really. They have nothing to quarrel about. Democratic states still have geopolitical interests. The interests of Israel are vehemently opposed to those of Iran. Thus, Iran and Israel will be in conflict. In fact, foreign policy-wise, democratic states are barely different from dictatorships.
    - shmerl 6y ago
      Democratic Iran won't have interest in spreading war and chaos all around unlike what IRG (that basically runs Iran today) is doing now. So what kind of interests will they have conflicting then?
      - sudosysgen 5y ago
        Countries pursue war to advance their interests. Iran funds proxies and political parties abroad to be able to maintain sufficient influence on its neighbours to prevent the advancement of US interests and to prevent them from attacking Iran, as well as to destabilize some gulf states. Democracies are just as warmongering as any other. The US and most European countries didn't see any issue in bombing Syria and Libya back to slavery, so why do you think democratic Iran will be any better?
        shmerl 5y ago
        Simple reason - constant war mongering isn't something politicians will be supported for because the price for that is going on the people. That is, if politicians have to answer to anyone (thus democracy). Dictatorships on the other hand don't care about squeezing their own populations to the bone for their war mongering. Well, until the point there is an uprising of course and they are burned down by the angry mob.
- poisonarena 6y ago
  I see you have called Israel an 'ethnostate' several times on here. Have you ever visited Israel? I see jewish, druze, christian/muslim arabs,bedouin, russian/orthodox, eritrean, somali, etc etc every day. I think you would have a much different opinion if you visited. I am not jewish and I have full citizenship and rights.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    I call every country which, on their constitution, proclaims themselves to belong to a specific ethnic group to be an ethnostate. I live in Canada. If the constitution of this country specifically said it wasn't for me I would not accept that. If you disagree, that is your right.
    - poisonarena 6y ago
      are the Islamic Republic of Iran or the Islamic republic of pakistan ethnostates? also what are their gay pride parades like, and whats their policy on censorship, capital punishment,etc?
      - sudosysgen 5y ago
        The first are theocracies, but both Iran and Pakistan are officially multiethnic states. Not that theocracies are much better than ethnostate. As for the other, those are orthogonal to the issues. You are literally just doing whataboutism, but even worse because you're not whatabouting at the right people.
        poisonarena 5y ago
        This makes no sense. My roommate is an christian arab, he has the exact same rights as I do, only he didn't have to do national service or military. The Russians that run the grocery store are orthodox christians, they also have rights, bedouins, druze, the eritrian coptic christians, ethiopian jews, jews from literally every corner of the world and of every race, who knows what some of the georgian guys religion is who make pastries down the street. There are so many ethnicities in Israel, and so many religions. I can't blame you because you have never been to Israel and have no idea the type of people that live here, you just have big opinions from the obvious propaganda you have been spoonfed, otherwise you would never say something like "Israel is an ethnostate" .

sudosysgen 6y ago

A democratic Iran will always be the enemy of Israel. Israel is a nuclear-armed ethnostate engaging in ethnic cleansing that protects these transgressions by operating as the FOB of the hegemonic world power that doesn't blink an eye at killing a million citizens in the region. So long as Israel requires US support to safeguard their otherwise untenable position (and to force Arab dictatorships to act favorably towards Israel), Iran and Israel will be opposed. Iran and Israel were allied before the revolution because the undemocratic government (not that the current one is anymore democratic otherwise) that was willing to act against its interests on the matter so long as the dominant foreign powers required it. It's categorically false that no one gains from the conflict. Israel gains tremendously from the conflict as the antagonism between Iran and Israel and between Iran and the USA is what justifies its ability to get away with so much.

shmerl 6y ago
> A democratic Iran will always be the enemy of Israel. Not really. They have nothing to quarrel about. But there is nothing democratic about today's Iran. Theocratic fascists on the other hand need an enemy to distract from complete failure of internal politics and collapsing economy due to spending all their resources on war and funding criminals and terrorists abroad.
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  >But there is nothing democratic about today's Iran. Theocratic fascists on the other hand need an enemy to distract from complete failure of internal politics and collapsing economy due to spending all their resources on war and funding criminals and terrorists abroad. I explicitly said they weren't. You're preaching for the choir. >Not really. They have nothing to quarrel about. Democratic states still have geopolitical interests. The interests of Israel are vehemently opposed to those of Iran. Thus, Iran and Israel will be in conflict. In fact, foreign policy-wise, democratic states are barely different from dictatorships.
  - shmerl 6y ago
    Democratic Iran won't have interest in spreading war and chaos all around unlike what IRG (that basically runs Iran today) is doing now. So what kind of interests will they have conflicting then?
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      Countries pursue war to advance their interests. Iran funds proxies and political parties abroad to be able to maintain sufficient influence on its neighbours to prevent the advancement of US interests and to prevent them from attacking Iran, as well as to destabilize some gulf states. Democracies are just as warmongering as any other. The US and most European countries didn't see any issue in bombing Syria and Libya back to slavery, so why do you think democratic Iran will be any better?
      - shmerl 5y ago
        Simple reason - constant war mongering isn't something politicians will be supported for because the price for that is going on the people. That is, if politicians have to answer to anyone (thus democracy). Dictatorships on the other hand don't care about squeezing their own populations to the bone for their war mongering. Well, until the point there is an uprising of course and they are burned down by the angry mob.
poisonarena 6y ago
I see you have called Israel an 'ethnostate' several times on here. Have you ever visited Israel? I see jewish, druze, christian/muslim arabs,bedouin, russian/orthodox, eritrean, somali, etc etc every day. I think you would have a much different opinion if you visited. I am not jewish and I have full citizenship and rights.
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  I call every country which, on their constitution, proclaims themselves to belong to a specific ethnic group to be an ethnostate. I live in Canada. If the constitution of this country specifically said it wasn't for me I would not accept that. If you disagree, that is your right.
  - poisonarena 6y ago
    are the Islamic Republic of Iran or the Islamic republic of pakistan ethnostates? also what are their gay pride parades like, and whats their policy on censorship, capital punishment,etc?
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      The first are theocracies, but both Iran and Pakistan are officially multiethnic states. Not that theocracies are much better than ethnostate. As for the other, those are orthogonal to the issues. You are literally just doing whataboutism, but even worse because you're not whatabouting at the right people.
      - poisonarena 5y ago
        This makes no sense. My roommate is an christian arab, he has the exact same rights as I do, only he didn't have to do national service or military. The Russians that run the grocery store are orthodox christians, they also have rights, bedouins, druze, the eritrian coptic christians, ethiopian jews, jews from literally every corner of the world and of every race, who knows what some of the georgian guys religion is who make pastries down the street. There are so many ethnicities in Israel, and so many religions. I can't blame you because you have never been to Israel and have no idea the type of people that live here, you just have big opinions from the obvious propaganda you have been spoonfed, otherwise you would never say something like "Israel is an ethnostate" .