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Israel -- politically divided, pluralistic society, democratic government & leader in exporting high-tech, pharma & healthcare advancements. Iran -- repressive,
by howmayiannoyyou 6y ago
Israel -- politically divided, pluralistic society, democratic government & leader in exporting high-tech, pharma & healthcare advancements.
Iran -- repressive, despotic regime & leader in exporting terrorism.
- babesh 6y agoYou conveniently failed to mention the Gaza Strip and the occupied territories where the people have no vote and no rights. So it is a democracy for some and a despotic regime for others. Frankly both these states are acting out of self interest. Leave morality out of it. It’s probably mostly true for both peoples as well.
- flyinglizard 6y agoGazans can, in fact, vote. They voted in Hamas who took away their right to vote but back when Israel disengaged and left them to their own devices, Gazans could indeed vote.
- babesh 6y agoCan they vote for seats in Israel’s government? My understanding is not.
- AnimalMuppet 6y agoOf course not. That's what happens when Israel doesn't rule over that territory any longer. Can Israelis vote on the government of Gaza?
- random314 6y agoIsrael courts have jurisdiction over Palestine. As does Israel's army. Palestinian land records are not recognized by Israel. Palestine is a part of Israel, where the people cant vote in Israel's elections. Israel is an apartheid state like erstwhile south Africa and Palestine is a bantustan.
- AnimalMuppet 6y agoWest Bank Palestine? Perhaps. Gaza (which was the context)? I doubt it. Don't conflate the two situations. They aren't the same at all.
- koheripbal 6y agoIsrael courts have zero jurisdiction in Gaza. Gaza's government, police, and politics, are completely independent from Israel.
- random314 6y agoHow do I enter gaza without blessings from Israel?
- flyinglizard 6y agoFrom Egypt.
- random314 6y agoNo you cant. Egypt coordinates with Israel. Gaza is the world's largest open air prison. Also, you cant get a visa stamp for entry from the mythical embassy of gaza in the United states. Heck, you cant even leave Gaza. Forget about entering. Millions of people travel to Israel every year; some of them go farther into the West Bank, but there’s a place over there which almost nobody has visited before – the Gaza Strip. Gaza, like the West Bank, is surrounded by a large military wall with access only possible via two entrances, one from Israel (Erez crossing) and the other from Egypt (Rafah crossing). It is important to note that due to the siege on Gaza imposed by Israel and in cooperation with the current regime in Egypt, getting into Gaza is, physically and bureaucratically, very difficult. Gaza is not open to individuals wishing to travel or explore the region per say, but to those with a connection to international organisations or journalists, for example. In order to gain access to Gaza, you must have a legitimate reason to enter before you can apply for either an Israeli or Egyptian travel permit. Most travel via Egypt using the Rafah crossing.
- babesh 6y agoYou can’t leave people to their own devices when another military controls entry and exit into a territory.
- koheripbal 6y agoActually, Gaza shares a large border with Egypt, and aside from the inspection of vehicles, there is open traffic and trade with Egypt.
- monocasa 6y agoThe Rafah Border Crossing (the only border crossing with Egpyt) has never allowed trade, only movement of people. And even that, sparingly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah_Border_Crossing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah_Border_Crossing
- babesh 6y agoAlso this means that the people in the occupied territories can’t vote.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 6y agoI will translate what you just said into English: "They voted the wrong way."
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- yurielt 6y agoIsrael is an apartheid’s regime the fact that they let gay people exists does not make them less of an apartheid regime that takes lands and resources from the people in there they are an ethnoreligious state where the goyim are seen as cattle and don’t have full rights please stop defending an apartheid state
- poisonarena 6y ago"ethnoreligious state" I can tell you have never been to Israel... I am Israeli, not jewish, my family is not jewish either. I am not a cattle, and I have full rights, same as my arab flatmates. Ask me anything you would like.
- yurielt 6y agoDo you want me to send you a picture of my passport or what? I see that the JIDF is in full force tonight I can understand you guys downvoting me or any comment controversial critical of your apartheid state but at least you should have the decency of not lying
- poisonarena 6y agoWhy would you send me a picture of your passport? I think you are getting downvoted because you are spouting propaganda about a place you have clearly never been to. I also think there are a lot of Israelis in the tech community and active here.
- dang 6y agoWhoa - flamewar like this will get you banned on HN regardless of what the flames are about. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules.
- marshmallow_12 6y agothis is borderline anti semitic.
- radycov 6y agoIs this really the pathetic level of discourse you hasbara trolls come up with? This is an intellectual forum for objective discourse.