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Iran has no other agenda other than producing nuclear bombs and I say this as an Iranian. Iran has spent tens of billions of dollars in the past decade on what

by payamb 6y ago

Iran has no other agenda other than producing nuclear bombs and I say this as an Iranian. Iran has spent tens of billions of dollars in the past decade on what the regime's claims "peaceful nuclear power", ie to produce electricity. meanwhile after spending tens of billions and four decades what we have is a 1000 MW nuclear power plant, and i assure you that's only a shop front so they can argue enriching uranium and making centrifuges are necessary to fuel the plant. Iran has 2nd largest natural gas reserves in the world, because of sanctions Iran has lost lots foreign investments it needed to sell it and/or use it to generate electricity. Natural gas costs peanuts in Iran. We could've made a deal with a foreign company and ask them to build and fuel the power plant for 1/4th of the price and 5 times the capacity like our neighbours (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barakah_nuclear_power_plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barakah_nuclear_power_plant) just in case you don't know, fuel for nuclear power plant is the cheapest item in the bill when you are building one. There is no economic benefit (and lots of disadvantage) to start from scratch and enrich your own fuel. I don't want a regime who shuts down an airliner and deny it for 3 days have access to nuclear weapons. do not believe a word from the regime who is killing its own people all the time. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_Iranian_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_Iranian_prot...)

marshmallow_12 6y ago
As an Iranian, what do you think about the current political regime. Would a return of the Shah be a positive thing, in your opinion? Do you have any fears of Israeli aggression, or would you support a peace deal? I would honestly like to hear what you think about it.
- 0xFFC 6y ago
  UPDATE: spelling.
  - marshmallow_12 6y ago
    There are more then a million Israeli Arabs who enjoy full citizenship rights. I fact, they enjoy more rights then the average Israeli, being able to enter West Bank freely.
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    - edanm 5y ago
      > I fact, they enjoy more rights then the average Israeli, being able to enter West Bank freely. I wouldn't go that far. Yes, Israeli Arabs technically have full rights. Yes, technically speaking they might be able to go to places non-Arabs "can't". But that's being really "technically correct". I think for day-to-day living, Israeli Arabs effectively have a worse time living in Israeli than Israeli Jews (e.g. there is at least some racism, unfortunately, there are certainly differences in funding in e.g. Arab schools vs Jewish schools from what I know, etc).
- payamb 6y ago
  Current political regime the most dishonest, corrupt and dysfunctional regime you can imagine. First thing you need to know is the government itself in Iran is nobody, Ali Khamenei has been enjoying full power and control for the past 30 years or so. Iran's president and minsters can only be appointed by Khamenei's approval. With him being in power he needed a royal force to follow his ideology and shut down any voice of criticism, that's IRGC (Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps). IRGC and Khamenei control as much as 50% of Iran's economy, from telecom to oil. needless to say they don't answer to anyone, they don't pay any taxes and Khameni itself doesn't even do any interviews with the press. I think majority of Iranians hate the current regime as much as i do, for one, It's not possible to change it democratically. One person has all the power in country and he made a powerful force to back him up. every time Iranians want to change the country, Khameni unleash his dogs (IRGC) and they either kill all the protestors or arrest them and sentence them to long term prison. I've been shot and spent time in Iran's political prison (Evin), my crime? participation in peaceful protests (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Green_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Green_Movement) > Would a return of the Shah be a positive thing? Return of the Shah, reminds of me Russians who are envy of the soviet union time, because things were better at the time. I personally think democracy is the best way to go and no one person should have majority of the power. > Do you have any fears of Israeli aggression, or would you support a peace deal Enemy of my enemy is my friend, that's how I (and honestly majority of the people that i know) think of Israel. I think at the moment, Israel is the only country in the world stopping the regime from developing nuclear weapons and that's a good thing. Iranians and Israelis historically have been friendly, Its only since this regime got the power that has changed, and i do understand why, because Iran has been threatening to wipe Israel off the map almost everyday.
  - 0xFFC 6y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdxxVxtHK2M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdxxVxtHK2M
    - payamb 6y ago
      > This is a complete fabrication and lie. As bad as it gets. Iran never said it is going to wipe another country. What they said is explained clearly in detail here [1]. It's not, Iran has been saying it very publicly: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/27/israel.iran https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/27/israel.iran https://en.radiofarda.com/a/iran-general-salami-threatens-to-wipe-israel-off-the-map/29736004.html https://en.radiofarda.com/a/iran-general-salami-threatens-to... you should be able to read Farsi, so check these 2 example out of many: https://cdn.yjc.ir/files/fa/news/1396/4/5/6417989_951.jpg https://cdn.yjc.ir/files/fa/news/1396/4/5/6417989_951.jpg https://newsmedia.tasnimnews.com/Tasnim/Uploaded/Image/1396/07/16/1396071609573525512169914.jpg https://newsmedia.tasnimnews.com/Tasnim/Uploaded/Image/1396/... https://www.google.com/search?q=%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B2%D8%B4%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B1+%D8%AD%D8%B0%D9%81+%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%8C%D9%84&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj32O2F5PbvAhWr_7sIHcqADosQ_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=1680&bih=971 https://www.google.com/search?q=%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B2%D8%B4%D9%... These photos show the counters installed in every city in Iran, counting down how many down days left to destroy Israel. eg wipe it off the map.
0xFFC 6y ago
Update: Spelling
- payamb 6y ago
  I usually hear this what-aboutism argument from the people who benefit from current undemocratic regime. If another country did/do something wrong, that doesn't justify Iran's actions. everyone is responsible for their own action and the reality is current Iranian regime has killed many thousands of it's own citizens. Iran shutting the plane down and denying for 3 days is not justifiable by any means. out of curiosity, what is your opinion on 1500 protesters who died during 2019-2020 protests? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_Iranian_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_Iranian_prot... should we ignore this too because Israel also killed bunch of people?
  - 0xFFC 6y ago
    UPDATE: spelling.
    - payamb 6y ago
      > It is ironic how the number decreased from 1500 to 300 in recent report even if a single person dies, that matters. toning it down to 300 doesn't make it look better. each one of them is a human who was killed by Iranian regime. here is Reuters confirming that number https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-protests-specialreport-idUSKBN1YR0QR https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-protests-specialrepo...
dundarious 5y ago
I don’t support the Iranian government, but I also think it was shocking that one of their Generals was assassinated by the US while visiting a friendly nation, Iraq. And Iran’s state terrorism in Iraq, Syria, etc., is to me hard to distinguish meaningfully from that of the US in Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc. Somewhat similarly for Israel.
- goodluckchuck 5y ago
  Wow, that’s horrifying.
- marshmallow_12 5y ago
  I don't. He is not a General. He was the head of the IRGC, which is a proscribed terrorist organization. The IRGC is the biggest terrorist organization in the world, which arguably makes Solameini the biggest terrorist in the world. So, on the one side we have Iran killing it's own civilians, Iraqi civilians, Syrian civilians, Yemeni civilians etc on a large scale. The annihilation of the entire Israeli state is also on their wish list. Men, women and children. Driven into the sea. On the other side, we have the United States, taking out a terrorist chief, and a handful of terrorist bodyguards with an airstrike. It is hard for me to draw any sort of meaningful comparison between Iran's terrorism in the Middle East and the response of the United States to their threats. Somewhat similarly for Israel.
  - RobertoG 5y ago
    There is something I don't understand, all that happened 8000 km away from USA, how is Iran a thread to the United States exactly? I was not going to write anything, but the "killing of Iraqi civilians" comment, without a trace of irony, made me.
    - marshmallow_12 5y ago
      >8000 km away from USA, how is Iran a thread to the United States exactly? I'm confused. He is quantifiably one of the most evil people on the planet, with a long list of human right abuses. Yet, what business is it of the United States to kill him? He's responsible for the death of thousands but you want America to turn the other way. And then America kills one person, suddenly you are calling them out? (yes, i am making a moral argument. No it's not the strongest answer. But it's a) the most compelling b) i'm not a general, but i'm sure there are plenty of strategic reasons too).
trs8080 5y ago
> because of sanctions Iran has lost lots foreign investments > could've made a deal with a foreign company Pick one. Look at what happens to middle eastern countries -- actually, ANY country -- that doesn't have a nuclear deterrent and doesn't support the Western mode of governing/economics. Hint: it's what happened in Iran in 1953.

by payamb 6y ago

marshmallow_12 6y ago

As an Iranian, what do you think about the current political regime. Would a return of the Shah be a positive thing, in your opinion? Do you have any fears of Israeli aggression, or would you support a peace deal? I would honestly like to hear what you think about it.

0xFFC 6y ago
UPDATE: spelling.
- marshmallow_12 6y ago
  There are more then a million Israeli Arabs who enjoy full citizenship rights. I fact, they enjoy more rights then the average Israeli, being able to enter West Bank freely.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - deleted 6y ago
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  - edanm 5y ago
    > I fact, they enjoy more rights then the average Israeli, being able to enter West Bank freely. I wouldn't go that far. Yes, Israeli Arabs technically have full rights. Yes, technically speaking they might be able to go to places non-Arabs "can't". But that's being really "technically correct". I think for day-to-day living, Israeli Arabs effectively have a worse time living in Israeli than Israeli Jews (e.g. there is at least some racism, unfortunately, there are certainly differences in funding in e.g. Arab schools vs Jewish schools from what I know, etc).
payamb 6y ago
Current political regime the most dishonest, corrupt and dysfunctional regime you can imagine. First thing you need to know is the government itself in Iran is nobody, Ali Khamenei has been enjoying full power and control for the past 30 years or so. Iran's president and minsters can only be appointed by Khamenei's approval. With him being in power he needed a royal force to follow his ideology and shut down any voice of criticism, that's IRGC (Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps). IRGC and Khamenei control as much as 50% of Iran's economy, from telecom to oil. needless to say they don't answer to anyone, they don't pay any taxes and Khameni itself doesn't even do any interviews with the press. I think majority of Iranians hate the current regime as much as i do, for one, It's not possible to change it democratically. One person has all the power in country and he made a powerful force to back him up. every time Iranians want to change the country, Khameni unleash his dogs (IRGC) and they either kill all the protestors or arrest them and sentence them to long term prison. I've been shot and spent time in Iran's political prison (Evin), my crime? participation in peaceful protests (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Green_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Green_Movement) > Would a return of the Shah be a positive thing? Return of the Shah, reminds of me Russians who are envy of the soviet union time, because things were better at the time. I personally think democracy is the best way to go and no one person should have majority of the power. > Do you have any fears of Israeli aggression, or would you support a peace deal Enemy of my enemy is my friend, that's how I (and honestly majority of the people that i know) think of Israel. I think at the moment, Israel is the only country in the world stopping the regime from developing nuclear weapons and that's a good thing. Iranians and Israelis historically have been friendly, Its only since this regime got the power that has changed, and i do understand why, because Iran has been threatening to wipe Israel off the map almost everyday.
- 0xFFC 6y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdxxVxtHK2M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdxxVxtHK2M
  - payamb 6y ago
    > This is a complete fabrication and lie. As bad as it gets. Iran never said it is going to wipe another country. What they said is explained clearly in detail here [1]. It's not, Iran has been saying it very publicly: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/27/israel.iran https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/27/israel.iran https://en.radiofarda.com/a/iran-general-salami-threatens-to-wipe-israel-off-the-map/29736004.html https://en.radiofarda.com/a/iran-general-salami-threatens-to... you should be able to read Farsi, so check these 2 example out of many: https://cdn.yjc.ir/files/fa/news/1396/4/5/6417989_951.jpg https://cdn.yjc.ir/files/fa/news/1396/4/5/6417989_951.jpg https://newsmedia.tasnimnews.com/Tasnim/Uploaded/Image/1396/07/16/1396071609573525512169914.jpg https://newsmedia.tasnimnews.com/Tasnim/Uploaded/Image/1396/... https://www.google.com/search?q=%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B2%D8%B4%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B1+%D8%AD%D8%B0%D9%81+%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%8C%D9%84&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj32O2F5PbvAhWr_7sIHcqADosQ_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=1680&bih=971 https://www.google.com/search?q=%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B2%D8%B4%D9%... These photos show the counters installed in every city in Iran, counting down how many down days left to destroy Israel. eg wipe it off the map.

0xFFC 6y ago

Update: Spelling

payamb 6y ago
I usually hear this what-aboutism argument from the people who benefit from current undemocratic regime. If another country did/do something wrong, that doesn't justify Iran's actions. everyone is responsible for their own action and the reality is current Iranian regime has killed many thousands of it's own citizens. Iran shutting the plane down and denying for 3 days is not justifiable by any means. out of curiosity, what is your opinion on 1500 protesters who died during 2019-2020 protests? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_Iranian_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_Iranian_prot... should we ignore this too because Israel also killed bunch of people?
- 0xFFC 6y ago
  UPDATE: spelling.
  - payamb 6y ago
    > It is ironic how the number decreased from 1500 to 300 in recent report even if a single person dies, that matters. toning it down to 300 doesn't make it look better. each one of them is a human who was killed by Iranian regime. here is Reuters confirming that number https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-protests-specialreport-idUSKBN1YR0QR https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-protests-specialrepo...

dundarious 5y ago

I don’t support the Iranian government, but I also think it was shocking that one of their Generals was assassinated by the US while visiting a friendly nation, Iraq. And Iran’s state terrorism in Iraq, Syria, etc., is to me hard to distinguish meaningfully from that of the US in Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc. Somewhat similarly for Israel.

goodluckchuck 5y ago
Wow, that’s horrifying.
marshmallow_12 5y ago
I don't. He is not a General. He was the head of the IRGC, which is a proscribed terrorist organization. The IRGC is the biggest terrorist organization in the world, which arguably makes Solameini the biggest terrorist in the world. So, on the one side we have Iran killing it's own civilians, Iraqi civilians, Syrian civilians, Yemeni civilians etc on a large scale. The annihilation of the entire Israeli state is also on their wish list. Men, women and children. Driven into the sea. On the other side, we have the United States, taking out a terrorist chief, and a handful of terrorist bodyguards with an airstrike. It is hard for me to draw any sort of meaningful comparison between Iran's terrorism in the Middle East and the response of the United States to their threats. Somewhat similarly for Israel.
- RobertoG 5y ago
  There is something I don't understand, all that happened 8000 km away from USA, how is Iran a thread to the United States exactly? I was not going to write anything, but the "killing of Iraqi civilians" comment, without a trace of irony, made me.
  - marshmallow_12 5y ago
    >8000 km away from USA, how is Iran a thread to the United States exactly? I'm confused. He is quantifiably one of the most evil people on the planet, with a long list of human right abuses. Yet, what business is it of the United States to kill him? He's responsible for the death of thousands but you want America to turn the other way. And then America kills one person, suddenly you are calling them out? (yes, i am making a moral argument. No it's not the strongest answer. But it's a) the most compelling b) i'm not a general, but i'm sure there are plenty of strategic reasons too).

trs8080 5y ago

> because of sanctions Iran has lost lots foreign investments > could've made a deal with a foreign company Pick one. Look at what happens to middle eastern countries -- actually, ANY country -- that doesn't have a nuclear deterrent and doesn't support the Western mode of governing/economics. Hint: it's what happened in Iran in 1953.