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> I don't have the personal skills to "sell" myself Actually you do. You've demonstrated them in this very comment. Maybe you don't realize this, or maybe yo

by lisper 6y ago

> I don't have the personal skills to "sell" myself Actually you do. You've demonstrated them in this very comment. Maybe you don't realize this, or maybe your self-deprecation is a deliberate part of your strategy. Either way, it worked on me. This comment led me to your profile, which led me to your company web sites, which impressed me. I don't need an iOS app developer at the moment, but if I did you'd be at the top of my list of people to contact.

darkhorse13 6y ago
I had the exact same sentiment. I'm a sucker for these types of reflective, self-deprecating descriptions for oneself. And good for him as well, because I don't doubt his honesty at all.
- lisper 6y ago
  > I don't doubt his honesty at all. Neither do I. That the mark of a truly great con artist ;-)
  - ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago
    :) It would be nice. I'm a bit "on the spectrum," and we don't make very good con artists. We are, however, often perceived as arrogant, rude and unsympathetic.
    - lisper 6y ago
      Yes, I know :-) I also know (from first-hand experience) that managing the behaviors that lead you to be perceived that way is a learnable skill. It's not easy, but in my experience, putting in the effort pays handsome dividends.
      - ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago
        Yup. I feel as if I have done well, in that arena. I was a manager, for 25 years. I managed a couple of people "on the spectrum," and they were (and still are) amazing. Last night, I watched The Accountant again. I really enjoy that movie. It does kinda go a bit crazy in advocating for autistic people (I get the feeling it was written by people that studied hard, but maybe don't have a lot of personal experience), but it's really fun. I wish I had a teak-lined camper and a Renoir in my bedroom, but I'm fairly happy how things turned out.
  - Clewza313 6y ago
    "The secret to success is sincerity. Once you can fake that, you've got it made."
musingsole 6y ago
To reiterate, it is very likely that those people who passed on you or didn't become interested due to the lack of self-marketing are not the people you would want to work with and doubly are not actually offering the job you thought you were applying for. Grifters interview and hire grifters because their org/team/company relies on the grift more than the truth to make ends meet. If you can't grift, you frankly don't have the skills for that job. It's an unfortunate side-effect of the nature of grifting that they can't tell you this upfront.
- adkadskhj 6y ago
  My fear with this mindset of "They're people i wouldn't want to work with anyway" is that it's easy to say that when i'm not hungry. If my mortgage is on the line my desire for a paycheck increases. Perhaps i don't live simply enough - but i'm always concerned about stability and until i'm retired i will always be concerned about the next paycheck. I too lack skills to feel confident about common interviews, but i look at this as a fault. If i felt more confident about interviews perhaps i'd feel more confident about my stability.
  - yarcob 6y ago
    Having a few months to a year of expenses on the side fixes this. When you know that no matter what happens, you have enough savings to pay your recurring costs, you just aren't as vulnerable. You are going to find a job in a year, or you could find a cheaper place to live in a year... Things just aren't as scary anymore once you have enough saved up. If you live paycheck to paycheck it's going to be stressful no matter how big that paycheck is.
    - adkadskhj 6y ago
      > Having a few months to a year of expenses on the side fixes this. It doesn't, for me. I'm sitting at ~12mo with full expenses. I budget everything, so i do me full expenses, all the niceties, enterainment, etc. If i lost my job i could probably stretch it to ~24mo with the fat cut away. Still, i worry. Keep in mind i do partially agree with you, paycheck to paycheck is a massive concern for people. It's why i obsessively envelope budget. But the concern i described in my prior post is a concern of skill, interview success, etc. Ie, feeling unsure in success of finding a job in my career path.
ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago
Thanks. I like your site (> I wear many hats, but graphic designer is not one of them). This looks cool: http://graceofgodmovie.com http://graceofgodmovie.com Looks like you're a great conversationalist.
- lisper 6y ago
  > Looks like you're a great conversationalist. Thanks. That, too, is a learnable (and teachable) skill. It did not (and still does not) come naturally to me. Took me about 20 years of concerted effort to really figure it out (and I sometimes lapse even now). But in retrospect well worth the effort.
eplanit 6y ago
> I don't have the personal skills to "sell" myself Your comments do just that, though. Perhaps writing is a good medium for you to make the point to others -- I recommend you do more of it. It makes a great first impression, from which you can follow-up. Be genuine in person as you are in your writing.
dorkwood 6y ago
I agree. I would buy some Chris Tokens.
- ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago
  You forgot the TM... Thanks. I’ll let you know when I do the ICO...
  - quickthrower2 6y ago
    NFT these days

by lisper 6y ago

darkhorse13 6y ago

I had the exact same sentiment. I'm a sucker for these types of reflective, self-deprecating descriptions for oneself. And good for him as well, because I don't doubt his honesty at all.

lisper 6y ago
> I don't doubt his honesty at all. Neither do I. That the mark of a truly great con artist ;-)
- ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago
  :) It would be nice. I'm a bit "on the spectrum," and we don't make very good con artists. We are, however, often perceived as arrogant, rude and unsympathetic.
  - lisper 6y ago
    Yes, I know :-) I also know (from first-hand experience) that managing the behaviors that lead you to be perceived that way is a learnable skill. It's not easy, but in my experience, putting in the effort pays handsome dividends.
    - ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago
      Yup. I feel as if I have done well, in that arena. I was a manager, for 25 years. I managed a couple of people "on the spectrum," and they were (and still are) amazing. Last night, I watched The Accountant again. I really enjoy that movie. It does kinda go a bit crazy in advocating for autistic people (I get the feeling it was written by people that studied hard, but maybe don't have a lot of personal experience), but it's really fun. I wish I had a teak-lined camper and a Renoir in my bedroom, but I'm fairly happy how things turned out.
- Clewza313 6y ago
  "The secret to success is sincerity. Once you can fake that, you've got it made."

musingsole 6y ago

To reiterate, it is very likely that those people who passed on you or didn't become interested due to the lack of self-marketing are not the people you would want to work with and doubly are not actually offering the job you thought you were applying for. Grifters interview and hire grifters because their org/team/company relies on the grift more than the truth to make ends meet. If you can't grift, you frankly don't have the skills for that job. It's an unfortunate side-effect of the nature of grifting that they can't tell you this upfront.

adkadskhj 6y ago
My fear with this mindset of "They're people i wouldn't want to work with anyway" is that it's easy to say that when i'm not hungry. If my mortgage is on the line my desire for a paycheck increases. Perhaps i don't live simply enough - but i'm always concerned about stability and until i'm retired i will always be concerned about the next paycheck. I too lack skills to feel confident about common interviews, but i look at this as a fault. If i felt more confident about interviews perhaps i'd feel more confident about my stability.
- yarcob 6y ago
  Having a few months to a year of expenses on the side fixes this. When you know that no matter what happens, you have enough savings to pay your recurring costs, you just aren't as vulnerable. You are going to find a job in a year, or you could find a cheaper place to live in a year... Things just aren't as scary anymore once you have enough saved up. If you live paycheck to paycheck it's going to be stressful no matter how big that paycheck is.
  - adkadskhj 6y ago
    > Having a few months to a year of expenses on the side fixes this. It doesn't, for me. I'm sitting at ~12mo with full expenses. I budget everything, so i do me full expenses, all the niceties, enterainment, etc. If i lost my job i could probably stretch it to ~24mo with the fat cut away. Still, i worry. Keep in mind i do partially agree with you, paycheck to paycheck is a massive concern for people. It's why i obsessively envelope budget. But the concern i described in my prior post is a concern of skill, interview success, etc. Ie, feeling unsure in success of finding a job in my career path.

ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago

Thanks. I like your site (> I wear many hats, but graphic designer is not one of them). This looks cool: http://graceofgodmovie.com http://graceofgodmovie.com Looks like you're a great conversationalist.

lisper 6y ago
> Looks like you're a great conversationalist. Thanks. That, too, is a learnable (and teachable) skill. It did not (and still does not) come naturally to me. Took me about 20 years of concerted effort to really figure it out (and I sometimes lapse even now). But in retrospect well worth the effort.

eplanit 6y ago

> I don't have the personal skills to "sell" myself Your comments do just that, though. Perhaps writing is a good medium for you to make the point to others -- I recommend you do more of it. It makes a great first impression, from which you can follow-up. Be genuine in person as you are in your writing.

dorkwood 6y ago

I agree. I would buy some Chris Tokens.

ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago
You forgot the TM... Thanks. I’ll let you know when I do the ICO...
- quickthrower2 6y ago
  NFT these days