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Now this did turn me off. A 3GB RAM device from 2017?

fsflover 6y ago
You do not need a Java VM to run apps on GNU/Linux phones (unlike on Android). It works pretty well with this RAM according to many videos.
- qwertox 6y ago
  I don't know. If I'd buy a phone which I really could make mine, I'd love it to have a hardware which would still be well usable in about 5 years from now, even with my increased demand for resources as I expand my possibilities with the device. At least 8GB RAM for all this stuff to remain in memory. Fat Python processes collecting GPS and mobile connectivity data (like RSSI, which cell towers are nearby), storing this in a MongoDB instance on the device, collecting accelerometer data and processing+storing it, there's a lot I'd like to do.
  - fsflover 6y ago
    Unfortunately such device does not currently exist. If you want it to be developed you better support the existing GNU/Linux phones... Perhaps the next Librem 5 batch "Fir" will have more RAM: https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Frequently-Asked-Questions#71-what-will-be-the-changes-in-the-fir-batch-and-should-i-wait-for-it https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque... (and you can preorder it now).
ben-schaaf 6y ago
The iPhone 8 was released in 2017 with 2GB of ram, the 8 plus with 3GB.
indymike 6y ago
In 2017, only the top of the line flagship phones would have 4, 6 or 8gb of RAM. 3GB was used in a lot of "flagship killer" phones because Android still ran well with 2GB and 3GB would give you 80% of the benefit of a $1200 phone for $250.
- atat7024 6y ago
  > would > was > ran
fabrice_d 6y ago
The amount of RAM is not the weakness of this device. The issue is the very outdated chipset (Allwinner A64) and its Mali 400 GPU (no GLES 3 support for instance). Let's hope the pinephone2 will fix all that!
- seba_dos1 6y ago
  You're talking about the PinePhone. The Librem 5 uses i.MX 8M Quad, which is a significantly more powerful SoC than A64.
  - ognarb 6y ago
    But also significantly more power hungry SoC :(
    - fsflover 6y ago
      And larger battery.
    - seba_dos1 6y ago
      Not really? Librem 5 easily beats the PinePhone when it comes to active usage time on battery (although it does have a battery with higher capacity). Where PinePhone currently wins is suspend time with the CPU completely turned off, as Librem 5 does not use suspend at all right now and just relies on cpuidle.

You do not need a Java VM to run apps on GNU/Linux phones (unlike on Android). It works pretty well with this RAM according to many videos.

qwertox 6y ago
I don't know. If I'd buy a phone which I really could make mine, I'd love it to have a hardware which would still be well usable in about 5 years from now, even with my increased demand for resources as I expand my possibilities with the device. At least 8GB RAM for all this stuff to remain in memory. Fat Python processes collecting GPS and mobile connectivity data (like RSSI, which cell towers are nearby), storing this in a MongoDB instance on the device, collecting accelerometer data and processing+storing it, there's a lot I'd like to do.
- fsflover 6y ago
  Unfortunately such device does not currently exist. If you want it to be developed you better support the existing GNU/Linux phones... Perhaps the next Librem 5 batch "Fir" will have more RAM: https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Frequently-Asked-Questions#71-what-will-be-the-changes-in-the-fir-batch-and-should-i-wait-for-it https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque... (and you can preorder it now).

ben-schaaf 6y ago

The iPhone 8 was released in 2017 with 2GB of ram, the 8 plus with 3GB.

indymike 6y ago

In 2017, only the top of the line flagship phones would have 4, 6 or 8gb of RAM. 3GB was used in a lot of "flagship killer" phones because Android still ran well with 2GB and 3GB would give you 80% of the benefit of a $1200 phone for $250.

atat7024 6y ago
> would > was > ran

fabrice_d 6y ago

The amount of RAM is not the weakness of this device. The issue is the very outdated chipset (Allwinner A64) and its Mali 400 GPU (no GLES 3 support for instance). Let's hope the pinephone2 will fix all that!

seba_dos1 6y ago
You're talking about the PinePhone. The Librem 5 uses i.MX 8M Quad, which is a significantly more powerful SoC than A64.
- ognarb 6y ago
  But also significantly more power hungry SoC :(
  - fsflover 6y ago
    And larger battery.
  - seba_dos1 6y ago
    Not really? Librem 5 easily beats the PinePhone when it comes to active usage time on battery (although it does have a battery with higher capacity). Where PinePhone currently wins is suspend time with the CPU completely turned off, as Librem 5 does not use suspend at all right now and just relies on cpuidle.