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I'm personally waiting for the next PinePhone iteration with a better chipset, since the CPU is pretty slow for even budget phone standards. Combined with soft

I'm personally waiting for the next PinePhone iteration with a better chipset, since the CPU is pretty slow for even budget phone standards. Combined with software improvements that will hopefully give a relatively smooth experience. Then again, the PinePhone is so cheap that it's not a big risk either way.

fsflover 6y ago
And why wouldn't you order Librem 5 now?
- the_duke 6y ago
  The Librem 5 is a bit more than I'd want to spend on an alternate device. Online banking 2FA and some other apps sadly tie me to Android. Although that might change if Anbox works ( https://puri.sm/posts/anbox-on-the-librem-5/ https://puri.sm/posts/anbox-on-the-librem-5/ ).
  - Guest42 6y ago
    I have 3 android 9 apps that are important to me. Running those would allow me to switch forever. I went to the anbox site briefly but didn’t quite see a list of images.
swiley 6y ago
You can't compare performance on the pinephone to Android phones because the OSes and app ecosystems are completely different: You just run Linux desktop environments and apps that are designed to run without hardware acceleration. I run FVWM and Firefox on mine and it works very well.
- linmob 6y ago
  FVWM sounds interesting. Would you like to share details of your setup? If so, I would like to interview you for my blog https://linmob.net https://linmob.net!
Mediterraneo10 6y ago
Don’t hold your breath on the next PinePhone iteration. On the forums, people expect a new hardware generation to come in only 3–5 years from now. Pine64 seems to assume that the hardware is fine for now, it is only the software that hasn’t been developed and optimized enough. You mention Anbox in another post here. Don’t expect that to allow you to run banking apps on Librem/PinePhone, as banking apps increasingly require the Android phone to pass Safety Net, and Anbox doesn’t.
- atat7024 6y ago
  > increasingly Source? Even anecdata? Less apps are required, in lieu of web apps on their websites.
  - Mediterraneo10 6y ago
    If you want anecdotes, look at the LineageOS forums where people complain frequently that passing Safety Net on unGoogled phones is no longer possible even with the old workarounds, so now their bank apps won't work. > Less apps are required, in lieu of web apps on their websites. Some banks require you to install their phone app for 2FA – they have phased out separate code cards or code calculators now that everyone is assumed to carry a mainstream smartphone. So, even if you want to log into their online-banking website, you need an Android or Apple phone in order to authenticate.
    - atat7024 6y ago
      Switching banks is pretty trivial. I'd never use a service that forced themselves into my device like that.
      - Mediterraneo10 6y ago
        Not everywhere has a diversity of banks to choose from like e.g the US. Some countries are reduced to an oligopoly or even duopoly where the banks don't differ in terms of their expectation that you will use their iPhone or Android app.

fsflover 6y ago

And why wouldn't you order Librem 5 now?

the_duke 6y ago
The Librem 5 is a bit more than I'd want to spend on an alternate device. Online banking 2FA and some other apps sadly tie me to Android. Although that might change if Anbox works ( https://puri.sm/posts/anbox-on-the-librem-5/ https://puri.sm/posts/anbox-on-the-librem-5/ ).
- Guest42 6y ago
  I have 3 android 9 apps that are important to me. Running those would allow me to switch forever. I went to the anbox site briefly but didn’t quite see a list of images.

swiley 6y ago

You can't compare performance on the pinephone to Android phones because the OSes and app ecosystems are completely different: You just run Linux desktop environments and apps that are designed to run without hardware acceleration. I run FVWM and Firefox on mine and it works very well.

linmob 6y ago
FVWM sounds interesting. Would you like to share details of your setup? If so, I would like to interview you for my blog https://linmob.net https://linmob.net!

Mediterraneo10 6y ago

Don’t hold your breath on the next PinePhone iteration. On the forums, people expect a new hardware generation to come in only 3–5 years from now. Pine64 seems to assume that the hardware is fine for now, it is only the software that hasn’t been developed and optimized enough. You mention Anbox in another post here. Don’t expect that to allow you to run banking apps on Librem/PinePhone, as banking apps increasingly require the Android phone to pass Safety Net, and Anbox doesn’t.

atat7024 6y ago
> increasingly Source? Even anecdata? Less apps are required, in lieu of web apps on their websites.
- Mediterraneo10 6y ago
  If you want anecdotes, look at the LineageOS forums where people complain frequently that passing Safety Net on unGoogled phones is no longer possible even with the old workarounds, so now their bank apps won't work. > Less apps are required, in lieu of web apps on their websites. Some banks require you to install their phone app for 2FA – they have phased out separate code cards or code calculators now that everyone is assumed to carry a mainstream smartphone. So, even if you want to log into their online-banking website, you need an Android or Apple phone in order to authenticate.
  - atat7024 6y ago
    Switching banks is pretty trivial. I'd never use a service that forced themselves into my device like that.
    - Mediterraneo10 6y ago
      Not everywhere has a diversity of banks to choose from like e.g the US. Some countries are reduced to an oligopoly or even duopoly where the banks don't differ in terms of their expectation that you will use their iPhone or Android app.