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It's not (just / only) taxes - Delaware has for a century or more not imposed changing rules and regulations on businesses registered in its state. It has bas
by lifeisstillgood 6y ago
It's not (just / only) taxes - Delaware has for a century or more not imposed changing rules and regulations on businesses registered in its state. It has basically left things well alone.
If this was outside the USA then Delaware would just be some tiny island tax haven. But it's a full fledged State in the most powerful country in the world. Businesses in Delaware still have to abide by every Federal law and regulation, and every Federal tax. It's not (quite) a no laws, no rules hideaway.
What they don't have to do is guess which State's local problems are going to hamstring them in five years.
Delaware incorporation gets you in the USA market at the national level. National America laws affect you but local State politics you can safely ignore. And be confident that the changes coming nationally will be clearly signalled in California or Texas first.
Yes there is tax arbitrage opportunities - but we are seeing similar things in Netherlands or Ireland in the EU. And when things got too out of hand then the other states would all "have a quiet word" with Delaware. Similar to how the Dutch Irish sandwich is it seems coming to an end.
So yeah, businesses like stability and only having to look in one direction, much more than low taxes but more complex environments.
Edit: It's worth reading up on the Dutch / Irish sandwich. In some ways yes it is egregious (and yeah a lot of the time it is - franchises that claim all the profit resides in a logo or a policy book - we all know that's crap). But that's a question of degrees - if I sell McDonalds burgers I will make more than selling some unbranded stuff. So IP does have value. Now let's say I am licensing wind turbine generators for a wind farm - designed in UK, built in Germany, installed in France by a Dutch company with Spanish investors. Whose laws apply to the licensing agreement ?
This gets really hard really quickly - which takes us back to Janet Yellen and minimum OECD tax rates. By stopping the race to the bottom, it does not matter so much - tax is paid, and gets shuffled in somewhere.
I know I am banging on but, getting outraged by tax dodges like this will prevent us taking the big wins - if there is a global minimum tax rate a huge amount of wasted effort on tax avoidance goes away, and it opens up real possibilities for clamping down on tax evasion.
Companies in Delaware mostly pay tax in the right range - and those that don't, trust me, the way to deal with it is to hire more IRS agents - probably the only branch of Government that has a 4-10x ROI year on year :-)
tl;dr tl;dr
There is an order to fixing taxes either globally or between states. First set a global minimum corporate tax rate (see OECD/Yellan). Then clamp down on tax evasion by forcing beneficial ownership to be made public globally. Only after all that is it worth fighting over who get what cut of the pie. There is no global tax pie right now - we need to bake it before we discuss cutting it.
- pbu43 6y ago> how shall I put this ... straw chewing hick-town councillors (sorry, State Senators) who think cows made America great. Considering America wouldn’t exist without food and the hick towns that supply it, and speaking as a straw-chewing hick from one of those towns who I guess manages to smash enough keys together to occasionally write software in your eyes, please do not so condescendingly dismiss the half of the country you clearly don’t understand. We can just as easily dismiss you and your arrogantly narrow view of your fellow citizens. It’s those exact globalist policies you’re trumpeting, and their ideological underpinnings, that forced the very people who feed you into a position where you can comfortably shit on them as you are here. You didn’t need this classist, obnoxious swipe to make your point, and you absolutely knew that given how you hedged it linguistically (twice alone in my quoted portion). It says far more about you and your beliefs than you think it does that you said it and apologized for it in the same breath.
- lifeisstillgood 6y agoFair enough. Changed. On the other hand, as a European, the very few State Senators I have met / known have been decent honest people - but very focused on local (to the State) issues - or on what I would call global always on politics like decent labour laws etc. But then again, their very job is to focus on the local. Hmm, re-reading this bit: >>> It’s those exact globalist policies you’re trumpeting, and their ideological underpinnings, that forced the very people who feed you into a position where you can comfortably shit on them as you are here. I am not sure I get this part ?
- pbu44 6y agoAre you saying that the elected position of state legislator comes with the assumption of indecency and deception and that it strengthens your perspective that you’ve known a few who aren’t? As a European (what a surprise), you are aware that Colorado is more akin to Switzerland than one of its cantons, right? The U.S. is more comparable to the EU than one of its constituent nations. Knowing that, why does “State Senator” vex you so? The line you drew between decent, honest, and representing the people who elected them is even more bizarre than what brought us together in the first place. If it isn’t apparent why an elected official from rural Iowa doesn’t have global tax policy on their radar, you are not qualified to be speaking about American politics, economics, or legislative structure in the slightest.