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They also tend to overlook the fact that most Scandinavian countries are incredibly homogenous, which helps with adoption of socialist practices.

by bbarn 5y ago

input_sh 5y ago
How exactly does homogeneity relate to adoption of any policy? Fuck off with that racist rhetoric. Also welfare programs =/= socialism.
- ttt0 5y ago
  It obviously does. In countries like America you have to target and pander to multiple communities with different priorities at the same time to get their vote. A homogeneous society makes everything much easier. I live in one and people are complaining about elderly being a voting block anyways. Multiracial society would divide it even further.
  - gjulianm 5y ago
    > In countries like America you have to target and pander to multiple communities with different priorities at the same time to get their vote. Exactly the same as in any other country. Implying that a community is homogeneous just because they have the same skin color is pretty racist.
    - ttt0 5y ago
      > Exactly the same as in any other country. Sure, so let me repeat: > I live in one and people are complaining about elderly being a voting block anyways. Multiracial society would divide it even further. No group is truly homogeneous. We're talking about racial homogeneity. If you don't like that some racial groups are acting as voting blocks then go complain to politicians or those groups, not me.
      - gjulianm 5y ago
        > No group is truly homogeneous. We're talking about racial homogeneity. So you do agree that saying that a country is "homogeneous" just because it is racially homogeneous does not make sense?
        ttt0 5y ago
        No, I don't. Since we can't take it literally, it's an acceptable abbreviation to "racial homogeneity". And you all obviously knew what it meant, there wasn't any confusion of what was actually being said here.
        gjulianm 5y ago
        Exactly, we all knew what it meant, that's why I said it's racist. Thinking that people of the same race will vote the same policies in different countries, or that the only division that makes implementing policies harder is the one of race, or that race must be a dividing block, is just a racist way of thinking.
        crumbshot 5y ago
        > or that the only division that makes implementing policies harder is the one of race, or that race must be a dividing block, is just a racist way of thinking. But politicians do often try to engineer these splits down racial lines, so it often ends up that way in practice. For example, racial minorities being scapegoated for inequalities in society, to try to capture the votes of the racial majority. Dividing people who would otherwise have shared class interests, on issues of race and similar, is a political strategy with a long and sordid history, sadly.
        ttt0 5y ago
        I never said that the same race will vote in the same way in different countries and I never said that it must be anything. And I explicitly stated that it's not the only division. It's basically marketing, you target different audiences. You might call it racist or whatever you want, but the reality is that it works. Just ask capitalists who mastered the craft. If you're by any chance suggesting that demographics simply don't matter in marketing or politics then that'd actually be the most outrageous statement made in this entire thread.
yorwba 5y ago
There are fifteen different political parties represented in the Danish parliament (plus some independent candidates) the largest of which (Social Democrats) holds 49 of 179 seats (27%). To get a majority for their government, they formed a coalition with six other parties. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folketing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folketing Evidently, Denmark is incredibly heterogeneous politically. Meanwhile, the US has only two political parties represented in the national legislature, so much more homogeneous. And yet the US doesn't have a reputation of adopting socialist practices. I think your theory needs some work.
- viklove 5y ago
  Check out this video, it helps explain why diversity of thought has little to do with the number of political parties that form in a system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo Dem/Rep are just two big coalitions in the US, and with first past the post voting, it's nearly impossible to have more than two parties in the long term.

They also tend to overlook the fact that most Scandinavian countries are incredibly homogenous, which helps with adoption of socialist practices.

by bbarn 5y ago

They also tend to overlook the fact that most Scandinavian countries are incredibly homogenous, which helps with adoption of socialist practices.

input_sh 5y ago

How exactly does homogeneity relate to adoption of any policy? Fuck off with that racist rhetoric. Also welfare programs =/= socialism.

ttt0 5y ago
It obviously does. In countries like America you have to target and pander to multiple communities with different priorities at the same time to get their vote. A homogeneous society makes everything much easier. I live in one and people are complaining about elderly being a voting block anyways. Multiracial society would divide it even further.
- gjulianm 5y ago
  > In countries like America you have to target and pander to multiple communities with different priorities at the same time to get their vote. Exactly the same as in any other country. Implying that a community is homogeneous just because they have the same skin color is pretty racist.
  - ttt0 5y ago
    > Exactly the same as in any other country. Sure, so let me repeat: > I live in one and people are complaining about elderly being a voting block anyways. Multiracial society would divide it even further. No group is truly homogeneous. We're talking about racial homogeneity. If you don't like that some racial groups are acting as voting blocks then go complain to politicians or those groups, not me.
    - gjulianm 5y ago
      > No group is truly homogeneous. We're talking about racial homogeneity. So you do agree that saying that a country is "homogeneous" just because it is racially homogeneous does not make sense?
      - ttt0 5y ago
        No, I don't. Since we can't take it literally, it's an acceptable abbreviation to "racial homogeneity". And you all obviously knew what it meant, there wasn't any confusion of what was actually being said here.
        gjulianm 5y ago
        Exactly, we all knew what it meant, that's why I said it's racist. Thinking that people of the same race will vote the same policies in different countries, or that the only division that makes implementing policies harder is the one of race, or that race must be a dividing block, is just a racist way of thinking.
        crumbshot 5y ago
        > or that the only division that makes implementing policies harder is the one of race, or that race must be a dividing block, is just a racist way of thinking. But politicians do often try to engineer these splits down racial lines, so it often ends up that way in practice. For example, racial minorities being scapegoated for inequalities in society, to try to capture the votes of the racial majority. Dividing people who would otherwise have shared class interests, on issues of race and similar, is a political strategy with a long and sordid history, sadly.
        ttt0 5y ago
        I never said that the same race will vote in the same way in different countries and I never said that it must be anything. And I explicitly stated that it's not the only division. It's basically marketing, you target different audiences. You might call it racist or whatever you want, but the reality is that it works. Just ask capitalists who mastered the craft. If you're by any chance suggesting that demographics simply don't matter in marketing or politics then that'd actually be the most outrageous statement made in this entire thread.

yorwba 5y ago

There are fifteen different political parties represented in the Danish parliament (plus some independent candidates) the largest of which (Social Democrats) holds 49 of 179 seats (27%). To get a majority for their government, they formed a coalition with six other parties. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folketing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folketing Evidently, Denmark is incredibly heterogeneous politically. Meanwhile, the US has only two political parties represented in the national legislature, so much more homogeneous. And yet the US doesn't have a reputation of adopting socialist practices. I think your theory needs some work.

viklove 5y ago
Check out this video, it helps explain why diversity of thought has little to do with the number of political parties that form in a system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo Dem/Rep are just two big coalitions in the US, and with first past the post voting, it's nearly impossible to have more than two parties in the long term.