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> The educational effects of school start times Delaying secondary school start times can be a cost-effective policy to improve students’ grades and test scores

> The educational effects of school start times Delaying secondary school start times can be a cost-effective policy to improve students’ grades and test scores > The combination of changing sleep patterns in adolescence and early school start times leaves secondary school classrooms filled with sleep-deprived students. Evidence is growing that having adolescents start school later in the morning improves grades and emotional well-being, and even reduces car accidents. Opponents cite costly adjustments to bussing schedules and decreased time after school for jobs, sports, or other activities as reasons to retain the status quo. While changing school start times is not a costless policy, it is one of the easiest to implement and least expensive ways of improving academic achievement https://wol.iza.org/uploads/articles/181/pdfs/educational-effects-of-school-start-times.pdf#:~:text=school%20schedules%20lead%20to%20sleep%20deprivation%20among%20adolescent,students%20gain%20the%20most%20from%20delayed%20start%20times https://wol.iza.org/uploads/articles/181/pdfs/educational-ef....

bbarnett 6y ago
I grew up in rural Canada, and we had busses. Some kids came in from 60+ miles away. I recall quite a bit about school, and yet no one really complained about getting up at 5 to 6am. Of course, most kids lived on farms, some even had chores before going to school, and early to bed, early to rise was normal. We had a few antenna TV stations, no cable, VCRs weren't around for the average family, and of course no Internet. We also didn't have city street lights / ambient light, street noise, the sound of neighbours. People have gotten up early to do farm work for aeons, and go to sleep early too. In fact, to be more precise, staying up past 8 or 9pm is an urban / modern aberration. Point is, staying up late is the problem. Nothing more. Now of course, society has changed, so maybe change is needed. However, there is also a lot of counter literature on even TV as a sleep depriver. And now we have phone in bed, with a glowing screen, keeping a mind active. My point? OK, change the time. However, will kids just stay up even later? Or, as they do now, will they think "I should go to sleep now, or I will be tired tomorrow, but just one more text..."?
- literallycancer 6y ago
  Most developed countries are far enough from the equator that the amount of daylight is very different during different parts of the year. Perhaps it would make sense to base the schedule around sunrise and sunset rather than around arbitrary numbers?
  - emodendroket 6y ago
    How exactly are we supposed to run a modern society without the concept of time?
    - timeinput 6y ago
      You can have a time system based around sunrise. I mean with most clocks also being internet connected computers it wouldnt be too hard to make a system where you measure time in hours after average sunrise in a tike zone. That is where I live right now it's sunrise +3. I'll reschedule the daily 'standup' to SR+3.5, the banks open at SR+3 and close at SR+11. One major consequence I can see is that now we have north south timezones on top of east west. This would break in the extreme north or south where there are days without a sunrise.
      - emodendroket 6y ago
        That's what time zones are. You're just proposing more granular time zones. And none of them can fix the problem that in a lot of places the days are just short in the winter.
        nitrogen 6y ago
        Timezones don't account for seasonal changes in sunrise times, and DST is a poor hack that tries and fails. Using local solar time would be an improvement in that regard. On short days you just do less.
        6y ago

bbarnett 6y ago

I grew up in rural Canada, and we had busses. Some kids came in from 60+ miles away. I recall quite a bit about school, and yet no one really complained about getting up at 5 to 6am. Of course, most kids lived on farms, some even had chores before going to school, and early to bed, early to rise was normal. We had a few antenna TV stations, no cable, VCRs weren't around for the average family, and of course no Internet. We also didn't have city street lights / ambient light, street noise, the sound of neighbours. People have gotten up early to do farm work for aeons, and go to sleep early too. In fact, to be more precise, staying up past 8 or 9pm is an urban / modern aberration. Point is, staying up late is the problem. Nothing more. Now of course, society has changed, so maybe change is needed. However, there is also a lot of counter literature on even TV as a sleep depriver. And now we have phone in bed, with a glowing screen, keeping a mind active. My point? OK, change the time. However, will kids just stay up even later? Or, as they do now, will they think "I should go to sleep now, or I will be tired tomorrow, but just one more text..."?

literallycancer 6y ago
Most developed countries are far enough from the equator that the amount of daylight is very different during different parts of the year. Perhaps it would make sense to base the schedule around sunrise and sunset rather than around arbitrary numbers?
- emodendroket 6y ago
  How exactly are we supposed to run a modern society without the concept of time?
  - timeinput 6y ago
    You can have a time system based around sunrise. I mean with most clocks also being internet connected computers it wouldnt be too hard to make a system where you measure time in hours after average sunrise in a tike zone. That is where I live right now it's sunrise +3. I'll reschedule the daily 'standup' to SR+3.5, the banks open at SR+3 and close at SR+11. One major consequence I can see is that now we have north south timezones on top of east west. This would break in the extreme north or south where there are days without a sunrise.
    - emodendroket 6y ago
      That's what time zones are. You're just proposing more granular time zones. And none of them can fix the problem that in a lot of places the days are just short in the winter.
      - nitrogen 6y ago
        Timezones don't account for seasonal changes in sunrise times, and DST is a poor hack that tries and fails. Using local solar time would be an improvement in that regard. On short days you just do less.
        6y ago