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In my country it's the same, I think it is done that way because most people jobs start at 8 or 9, there's no school bus system, only private transport for kids

In my country it's the same, I think it is done that way because most people jobs start at 8 or 9, there's no school bus system, only private transport for kids going to school, so this schedule gives a chance for parents to drop off their kids at school and make it to work afterwards. Personally I hated it at the time, because getting up early is not my thing, but now I appreciate the time I got to talk with my parents on my way to school thanks to that schedule arrangement. Also to offset this early getting up, we jus went to bed earlier, like at 9pm or 10pm max, so not sure it really made a difference on anything.

ForHackernews 5y ago
In the USA, school schedules are at least partially dictated by after-school sports. Classes need to end early enough that teams can practice in daylight.
- deviantfero 5y ago
  Yeah we had those too, sun goes down at around 6pm all year round here though, training would take place 3pm - 5pm for extracurricular activities
- WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
  Another argument for the separation of Sport and State.
barry-cotter 5y ago
> The educational effects of school start times Delaying secondary school start times can be a cost-effective policy to improve students’ grades and test scores > The combination of changing sleep patterns in adolescence and early school start times leaves secondary school classrooms filled with sleep-deprived students. Evidence is growing that having adolescents start school later in the morning improves grades and emotional well-being, and even reduces car accidents. Opponents cite costly adjustments to bussing schedules and decreased time after school for jobs, sports, or other activities as reasons to retain the status quo. While changing school start times is not a costless policy, it is one of the easiest to implement and least expensive ways of improving academic achievement https://wol.iza.org/uploads/articles/181/pdfs/educational-effects-of-school-start-times.pdf#:~:text=school%20schedules%20lead%20to%20sleep%20deprivation%20among%20adolescent,students%20gain%20the%20most%20from%20delayed%20start%20times https://wol.iza.org/uploads/articles/181/pdfs/educational-ef....
- bbarnett 5y ago
  I grew up in rural Canada, and we had busses. Some kids came in from 60+ miles away. I recall quite a bit about school, and yet no one really complained about getting up at 5 to 6am. Of course, most kids lived on farms, some even had chores before going to school, and early to bed, early to rise was normal. We had a few antenna TV stations, no cable, VCRs weren't around for the average family, and of course no Internet. We also didn't have city street lights / ambient light, street noise, the sound of neighbours. People have gotten up early to do farm work for aeons, and go to sleep early too. In fact, to be more precise, staying up past 8 or 9pm is an urban / modern aberration. Point is, staying up late is the problem. Nothing more. Now of course, society has changed, so maybe change is needed. However, there is also a lot of counter literature on even TV as a sleep depriver. And now we have phone in bed, with a glowing screen, keeping a mind active. My point? OK, change the time. However, will kids just stay up even later? Or, as they do now, will they think "I should go to sleep now, or I will be tired tomorrow, but just one more text..."?
  - literallycancer 5y ago
    Most developed countries are far enough from the equator that the amount of daylight is very different during different parts of the year. Perhaps it would make sense to base the schedule around sunrise and sunset rather than around arbitrary numbers?
    - emodendroket 5y ago
      How exactly are we supposed to run a modern society without the concept of time?
      - timeinput 5y ago
        You can have a time system based around sunrise. I mean with most clocks also being internet connected computers it wouldnt be too hard to make a system where you measure time in hours after average sunrise in a tike zone. That is where I live right now it's sunrise +3. I'll reschedule the daily 'standup' to SR+3.5, the banks open at SR+3 and close at SR+11. One major consequence I can see is that now we have north south timezones on top of east west. This would break in the extreme north or south where there are days without a sunrise.

ForHackernews 5y ago

In the USA, school schedules are at least partially dictated by after-school sports. Classes need to end early enough that teams can practice in daylight.

deviantfero 5y ago
Yeah we had those too, sun goes down at around 6pm all year round here though, training would take place 3pm - 5pm for extracurricular activities
WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
Another argument for the separation of Sport and State.

barry-cotter 5y ago

> The educational effects of school start times Delaying secondary school start times can be a cost-effective policy to improve students’ grades and test scores > The combination of changing sleep patterns in adolescence and early school start times leaves secondary school classrooms filled with sleep-deprived students. Evidence is growing that having adolescents start school later in the morning improves grades and emotional well-being, and even reduces car accidents. Opponents cite costly adjustments to bussing schedules and decreased time after school for jobs, sports, or other activities as reasons to retain the status quo. While changing school start times is not a costless policy, it is one of the easiest to implement and least expensive ways of improving academic achievement https://wol.iza.org/uploads/articles/181/pdfs/educational-effects-of-school-start-times.pdf#:~:text=school%20schedules%20lead%20to%20sleep%20deprivation%20among%20adolescent,students%20gain%20the%20most%20from%20delayed%20start%20times https://wol.iza.org/uploads/articles/181/pdfs/educational-ef....

bbarnett 5y ago
I grew up in rural Canada, and we had busses. Some kids came in from 60+ miles away. I recall quite a bit about school, and yet no one really complained about getting up at 5 to 6am. Of course, most kids lived on farms, some even had chores before going to school, and early to bed, early to rise was normal. We had a few antenna TV stations, no cable, VCRs weren't around for the average family, and of course no Internet. We also didn't have city street lights / ambient light, street noise, the sound of neighbours. People have gotten up early to do farm work for aeons, and go to sleep early too. In fact, to be more precise, staying up past 8 or 9pm is an urban / modern aberration. Point is, staying up late is the problem. Nothing more. Now of course, society has changed, so maybe change is needed. However, there is also a lot of counter literature on even TV as a sleep depriver. And now we have phone in bed, with a glowing screen, keeping a mind active. My point? OK, change the time. However, will kids just stay up even later? Or, as they do now, will they think "I should go to sleep now, or I will be tired tomorrow, but just one more text..."?
- literallycancer 5y ago
  Most developed countries are far enough from the equator that the amount of daylight is very different during different parts of the year. Perhaps it would make sense to base the schedule around sunrise and sunset rather than around arbitrary numbers?
  - emodendroket 5y ago
    How exactly are we supposed to run a modern society without the concept of time?
    - timeinput 5y ago
      You can have a time system based around sunrise. I mean with most clocks also being internet connected computers it wouldnt be too hard to make a system where you measure time in hours after average sunrise in a tike zone. That is where I live right now it's sunrise +3. I'll reschedule the daily 'standup' to SR+3.5, the banks open at SR+3 and close at SR+11. One major consequence I can see is that now we have north south timezones on top of east west. This would break in the extreme north or south where there are days without a sunrise.