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The average teacher’s job is reasonably mentally demanding but despite waking and starting work at unnaturally early hours (in the US and China) people do accep

The average teacher’s job is reasonably mentally demanding but despite waking and starting work at unnaturally early hours (in the US and China) people do acceptably with coffee. The students do worse because the schedule is even more divergent from their natural sleep schedule and they’re less likely to have coffee or other stimulants.

BrandoElFollito 6y ago
What time do they start work in the US?
- Consultant32452 6y ago
  My daughter's school starts at 7am, so she has to be up by 5:45am. It's stupid.
  - spockz 6y ago
    That is really crazy early! Where is this? My high school started at 08:10 (I think) and elementary school at 08:15 and those were the earliest starters in the neighbourhood. University luckily started around 9.
  - BrandoElFollito 6y ago
    Ah. That's indeed early. In France kindergarten and primary school starts at 8:30 and ends at 16:30. Mid and high school at 8 or 9, never earlier. This is very early for children and teens, really not physiological.
    - prawn 6y ago
      In Australia, at least where I am, from ages 5-17 school is generally 8:45 to 15:15.
  - deviantfero 6y ago
    In my country it's the same, I think it is done that way because most people jobs start at 8 or 9, there's no school bus system, only private transport for kids going to school, so this schedule gives a chance for parents to drop off their kids at school and make it to work afterwards. Personally I hated it at the time, because getting up early is not my thing, but now I appreciate the time I got to talk with my parents on my way to school thanks to that schedule arrangement. Also to offset this early getting up, we jus went to bed earlier, like at 9pm or 10pm max, so not sure it really made a difference on anything.
    - ForHackernews 6y ago
      In the USA, school schedules are at least partially dictated by after-school sports. Classes need to end early enough that teams can practice in daylight.
      - deviantfero 6y ago
        Yeah we had those too, sun goes down at around 6pm all year round here though, training would take place 3pm - 5pm for extracurricular activities
      - WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
        Another argument for the separation of Sport and State.
    - barry-cotter 6y ago
      > The educational effects of school start times Delaying secondary school start times can be a cost-effective policy to improve students’ grades and test scores > The combination of changing sleep patterns in adolescence and early school start times leaves secondary school classrooms filled with sleep-deprived students. Evidence is growing that having adolescents start school later in the morning improves grades and emotional well-being, and even reduces car accidents. Opponents cite costly adjustments to bussing schedules and decreased time after school for jobs, sports, or other activities as reasons to retain the status quo. While changing school start times is not a costless policy, it is one of the easiest to implement and least expensive ways of improving academic achievement https://wol.iza.org/uploads/articles/181/pdfs/educational-effects-of-school-start-times.pdf#:~:text=school%20schedules%20lead%20to%20sleep%20deprivation%20among%20adolescent,students%20gain%20the%20most%20from%20delayed%20start%20times https://wol.iza.org/uploads/articles/181/pdfs/educational-ef....
einpoklum 6y ago
> people do acceptably with coffee. Do they, though?
- peepholeperson 6y ago
  Technically, yes. They do well enough that we can and do accept it.
  - emodendroket 6y ago
    Yeah but not that long ago people accepted not having plumbing. There's no reason to be confident that things couldn't be much better.
  - einpoklum 6y ago
    > Technically, yes. They do well enough that we can and do accept it. You shouldn't, and a great many in the US don't.
    - barry-cotter 6y ago
      Given the attendance rate at private schools (low) and their divergence from the normal public school schedule (low) this doesn’t seem accurate. People may complain but they don’t do anything.

BrandoElFollito 6y ago

What time do they start work in the US?

Consultant32452 6y ago
My daughter's school starts at 7am, so she has to be up by 5:45am. It's stupid.
- spockz 6y ago
  That is really crazy early! Where is this? My high school started at 08:10 (I think) and elementary school at 08:15 and those were the earliest starters in the neighbourhood. University luckily started around 9.
- BrandoElFollito 6y ago
  Ah. That's indeed early. In France kindergarten and primary school starts at 8:30 and ends at 16:30. Mid and high school at 8 or 9, never earlier. This is very early for children and teens, really not physiological.
  - prawn 6y ago
    In Australia, at least where I am, from ages 5-17 school is generally 8:45 to 15:15.
- deviantfero 6y ago
  In my country it's the same, I think it is done that way because most people jobs start at 8 or 9, there's no school bus system, only private transport for kids going to school, so this schedule gives a chance for parents to drop off their kids at school and make it to work afterwards. Personally I hated it at the time, because getting up early is not my thing, but now I appreciate the time I got to talk with my parents on my way to school thanks to that schedule arrangement. Also to offset this early getting up, we jus went to bed earlier, like at 9pm or 10pm max, so not sure it really made a difference on anything.
  - ForHackernews 6y ago
    In the USA, school schedules are at least partially dictated by after-school sports. Classes need to end early enough that teams can practice in daylight.
    - deviantfero 6y ago
      Yeah we had those too, sun goes down at around 6pm all year round here though, training would take place 3pm - 5pm for extracurricular activities
    - WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
      Another argument for the separation of Sport and State.
  - barry-cotter 6y ago
    > The educational effects of school start times Delaying secondary school start times can be a cost-effective policy to improve students’ grades and test scores > The combination of changing sleep patterns in adolescence and early school start times leaves secondary school classrooms filled with sleep-deprived students. Evidence is growing that having adolescents start school later in the morning improves grades and emotional well-being, and even reduces car accidents. Opponents cite costly adjustments to bussing schedules and decreased time after school for jobs, sports, or other activities as reasons to retain the status quo. While changing school start times is not a costless policy, it is one of the easiest to implement and least expensive ways of improving academic achievement https://wol.iza.org/uploads/articles/181/pdfs/educational-effects-of-school-start-times.pdf#:~:text=school%20schedules%20lead%20to%20sleep%20deprivation%20among%20adolescent,students%20gain%20the%20most%20from%20delayed%20start%20times https://wol.iza.org/uploads/articles/181/pdfs/educational-ef....

einpoklum 6y ago

> people do acceptably with coffee. Do they, though?

peepholeperson 6y ago
Technically, yes. They do well enough that we can and do accept it.
- emodendroket 6y ago
  Yeah but not that long ago people accepted not having plumbing. There's no reason to be confident that things couldn't be much better.
- einpoklum 6y ago
  > Technically, yes. They do well enough that we can and do accept it. You shouldn't, and a great many in the US don't.
  - barry-cotter 6y ago
    Given the attendance rate at private schools (low) and their divergence from the normal public school schedule (low) this doesn’t seem accurate. People may complain but they don’t do anything.