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I'm using Ungoogled Chromium. But let's don't kid ourselves, this is just a temporary solution. There will always be the point where it's impossible to maintain

I'm using Ungoogled Chromium. But let's don't kid ourselves, this is just a temporary solution. There will always be the point where it's impossible to maintain patches and keep up with the cat and mouse game upstream. Also all the other popular Browsers are either based on Chromium or based on Gecko, an engine that has no developers anymore since last year. When I wrote about sustainability, that's exactly what I was talking about.

Signez 6y ago
> an engine that has no developers anymore since last year There are still more than a hundred developers working on Gecko.
- cookiengineer 6y ago
  Are we counting open source contributors or paid developers here? Because I think there's a difference in assumption vs reality here. External contributors work in their free time and are, as I'm trying to point out in my other comment, unsustainable as a work model [1] [2] [1] https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/graph/06b1ac14775250a1e95c0c1324fd7aee8fe5cc57 https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/graph/06b1ac14775250a... [2] https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/graphs/contributors https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/graphs/contributors
ripdog 6y ago
You're confusing gecko and servo. Servo is an experimental web engine which was being developed by Mozilla to test experimental tech. Recently its dev team was laid off. Gecko is the production engine that Firefox is based on, and it's still under full steam ahead development by engineers employed by Mozilla.
- CameronNemo 6y ago
  The Mozilla Corporation receives nearly all of its revenue from Google. As their market share inevitably trends toward zero (iOS defaults to Safari, Windows to Edge, and Android to Chrome), their negotiating power with Google and other search engines will suffer. The Gecko is drowning.
  - ripdog 6y ago
    Yes, this is a serious issue. However, I wouldn't claim that Mozilla has any negotiating power with Google even today - Google is likely to continue to fund Mozilla in order to stave off potential antitrust action.

Signez 6y ago

> an engine that has no developers anymore since last year There are still more than a hundred developers working on Gecko.

cookiengineer 6y ago
Are we counting open source contributors or paid developers here? Because I think there's a difference in assumption vs reality here. External contributors work in their free time and are, as I'm trying to point out in my other comment, unsustainable as a work model [1] [2] [1] https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/graph/06b1ac14775250a1e95c0c1324fd7aee8fe5cc57 https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/graph/06b1ac14775250a... [2] https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/graphs/contributors https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/graphs/contributors

ripdog 6y ago

You're confusing gecko and servo. Servo is an experimental web engine which was being developed by Mozilla to test experimental tech. Recently its dev team was laid off. Gecko is the production engine that Firefox is based on, and it's still under full steam ahead development by engineers employed by Mozilla.

CameronNemo 6y ago
The Mozilla Corporation receives nearly all of its revenue from Google. As their market share inevitably trends toward zero (iOS defaults to Safari, Windows to Edge, and Android to Chrome), their negotiating power with Google and other search engines will suffer. The Gecko is drowning.
- ripdog 6y ago
  Yes, this is a serious issue. However, I wouldn't claim that Mozilla has any negotiating power with Google even today - Google is likely to continue to fund Mozilla in order to stave off potential antitrust action.