>"Are you sure you didn't also learn to be comfortable in a car?" Yes, I'm pretty sure that I didn't have to learn to be comfortable in an environment that I i

>"Are you sure you didn't also learn to be comfortable in a car?" Yes, I'm pretty sure that I didn't have to learn to be comfortable in an environment that I immediately found comfortable. >"You had to learn to drive, right?" I must have forgotten the part where I was indoctrinated into praising the wonders of the holy automobile. >"And didn't all that bussing condition you to find it comfortable in a cramped metal box that moves?" No? What part of my anecdote made you think that I ever became comfortable with bussing? Are you really suggesting that a hard-shell non-adjustable bus seat (if one is lucky enough to not be standing), with strangers squished up again you, is comparable to what one gets in most automobiles? >"I like driving but hate commuting in heavy traffic. I'm pretty sure most people do" Moving the goalposts eh? Still waiting for a direct response to my previous comment, but I don't really expect to get one. "It seems like you are either 1) rejecting the possibility that technological innovation will allow for responsible and scalable use of automobiles and/or 2) rejecting human comfort as a valid argument for doing anything"