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Sure, it might not mean they can't do the job. But it might indicate they don't like working under pressure, they don't like learning new skills, they don't li
by candiddevmike 6y ago
Sure, it might not mean they can't do the job. But it might indicate they don't like working under pressure, they don't like learning new skills, they don't like working with women, or any other kind of bias or preference everyone has.
- yokaze 6y agoI get the first one (under pressure), but how do you get to the other ones?
- candiddevmike 6y agoYou don't, not always. They are just examples of the kind of stuff you find out when you talk candidly with people. The kind of stuff no one puts on their resumes, but when you ask philosophical and hypothetical questions unrelated to the job you tend to find them. Not all of them are bad, and some of them can be fixed, but it's naive to think the only relevant discussions are related to skills.
- ipaddr 6y agoIt sounds like you are looking for a friend.
- stefan_ 6y agoIt turns out you are right, this certainly did end up telling us a lot about you.
- candiddevmike 6y agoI'd ask you to expand on this but I'm not sure I'd care for the answer. If you're judging me because I wouldn't want to hire folks who can't work with women, you may need some self reflection.
- stefan_ 6y agoDid it again! I think you are mostly looking to hire yourself.
- watwut 6y agoWtf that has to do with working with women? Asking as woman whose e experience definitely is not that people must be philosophizing to be able to work with me. Nor comfortable with open ended questions. In fact, plenty of women themselves would fail this test. There is also nothing about your hiring that would not be biased. This sort of "let's chat and see how we feel about it" is the most biased way of inteviewing - it tends to produce hires that are from similar background, preferences and personality as interviewer.
- candiddevmike 6y agoI've met and worked with quite a few engineers who aren't comfortable working around women. They're typically very dismissive of them. Some conversation topics that surface these kind of details revolve around their experience with diverse teams and their opinions on meritocracy. Again, as I said in a separate thread, I don't have a standard checklist of questions and just go with the flow of conversation.
- cutemonster 6y agoHow do you start these conversations? For example, you ask "what du you think about meritocracy?" I'm curious about some of the questions you ask / things you say to get the conversation going (Btw seems a bit random to pick different topics with different people, then how can you compare?)
- candiddevmike 6y agoI try to keep things pretty playful, I have a bunch of ice breakers I've learned over the years (stranded on island, what do you bring, what would you do if you had a million dollars/what would you do if you had only one dollar). From there, I dig into things that may lead to more interesting dialogue. This sounds really one sided, but I try to provide my own input if the candidate doesn't ask for it (nerves, just shy, it's all good). The more open I am, the more open they are, and we both leave with a better understanding.
- emodendroket 6y agoI find it highly unlikely that there's an open-ended, philosophical question that is really that likely to ferret out closet misogynists.