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It’s baffling how US can quote the international treaty it’s not a signatory to (US hasn’t ratified UNCLOS).

akvadrako 6y ago
Well if they don't follow the treaty they can sail wherever they like.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> It’s baffling how US can quote the international treaty it’s not a signatory The US is a signatory of the UNCLOS. It has not acceded to the UNCLOS by way of ratification, but being a signatory without accession has legal significance in international law. Further, the US views the UNCLOS largely as codification of rules already binding in customary international law, so it is neither surprising that it would cite these rules in the particular articulation another party has explicitly accepted.
- torstenvl 6y ago
  > The US is a signatory of the UNCLOS. No. It is not.
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  - SiempreViernes 6y ago
    It's signed an agreement relating to a bit of the 1982 version: https://www.un.org/Depts/los/reference_files/UNCLOS%20Status%20table_ENG.pdf https://www.un.org/Depts/los/reference_files/UNCLOS%20Status... And it signed the first one in 1958.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    That’s correct. Had I not mossed the edit window, I would have updated the grandparent: the US has a more complicated relationship with UNCLOS. In short: it didn’t sign because of objections to Part XI, signed an Agreement regarding implementation of Part XI that it cannot formally accede to without acceding to the Convention, hasn't acceded to either, and is arguably (given the incorporation of the Convention’s purposes in the Agreement) in a generally similar position to a non-ratifying signatory of the Convention by virtue of being such with respect to the Agreement.
torstenvl 6y ago
It isn't just that the U.S. hasn't ratified UNCLOS, the U.S. never signed it to begin with. Nevertheless, the United States has said repeatedly that it views the FON provisions as customary international law. Indeed, they are largely copied from the 1958 Convention on the High Seas (which the United States ratified in 1962) and the 1958 Convention on the Territorial Sea and the Contiguous Zone (which the United States ratified in 1961).

Well if they don't follow the treaty they can sail wherever they like.

> It’s baffling how US can quote the international treaty it’s not a signatory The US is a signatory of the UNCLOS. It has not acceded to the UNCLOS by way of ratification, but being a signatory without accession has legal significance in international law. Further, the US views the UNCLOS largely as codification of rules already binding in customary international law, so it is neither surprising that it would cite these rules in the particular articulation another party has explicitly accepted.

torstenvl 6y ago
> The US is a signatory of the UNCLOS. No. It is not.
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- SiempreViernes 6y ago
  It's signed an agreement relating to a bit of the 1982 version: https://www.un.org/Depts/los/reference_files/UNCLOS%20Status%20table_ENG.pdf https://www.un.org/Depts/los/reference_files/UNCLOS%20Status... And it signed the first one in 1958.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  That’s correct. Had I not mossed the edit window, I would have updated the grandparent: the US has a more complicated relationship with UNCLOS. In short: it didn’t sign because of objections to Part XI, signed an Agreement regarding implementation of Part XI that it cannot formally accede to without acceding to the Convention, hasn't acceded to either, and is arguably (given the incorporation of the Convention’s purposes in the Agreement) in a generally similar position to a non-ratifying signatory of the Convention by virtue of being such with respect to the Agreement.

torstenvl 6y ago

It isn't just that the U.S. hasn't ratified UNCLOS, the U.S. never signed it to begin with. Nevertheless, the United States has said repeatedly that it views the FON provisions as customary international law. Indeed, they are largely copied from the 1958 Convention on the High Seas (which the United States ratified in 1962) and the 1958 Convention on the Territorial Sea and the Contiguous Zone (which the United States ratified in 1961).