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> It's insane how much flak they get for the CEO making a million dollars more after signing a deal that got them hundreds of millions more dollars a year. I t

> It's insane how much flak they get for the CEO making a million dollars more after signing a deal that got them hundreds of millions more dollars a year. I think the derision comes from the fact that this is theoretically a non-profit org.

boomboomsubban 6y ago
The executives are employees of the Mozilla Corporation, not the nonprofit.
lallysingh 6y ago
If the board had paid the same amount and gotten half the return from a service or consultant, they would be praised for it. But an employee! Good forbid!
st3fan 6y ago
I'm a senior engineering manager at Mozilla. Are you saying that because Mozilla is a non-profit I should just accept to take a salary that is mediocre or below industry standard? What if we apply that to engineering too? Marketing, operations, SREs .. How do you think that would work out for Mozilla? Do you think we would have any impact if the place was run like that? Do you think we would have much talent on board?
- consumer451 6y ago
  In the interest of clarity and humility, I carry the baggage of having a very large anti-executive/administration/overhead bias. I was trying to speak for general sentiment before, which was dumb of me. Let me attempt to clarify my personal thinking: if for example there was a Patreon where I could give money to Mozilla engineering salaries directly, I would proudly pay $10/month. I would be willing to wager that many others would as well. If orgs want good feels and a write off, sure 501c Mozilla donations, but let’s go beyond all that. How about a Mozilla Security Patreon? How about a Mozilla Rust Pateron? My point is that there is so much good will and money, just on HN, for Mozilla engineering... can we come up with ways to fund engineering directly? I realize there needs to be a CEO, etc, but there should also be a funding structure to pay you and your peers more, directly. Edit: I am just using Patreon as an example of direct creator funding, other mechanisms may be more applicable.

boomboomsubban 6y ago

The executives are employees of the Mozilla Corporation, not the nonprofit.

lallysingh 6y ago

If the board had paid the same amount and gotten half the return from a service or consultant, they would be praised for it. But an employee! Good forbid!

st3fan 6y ago

I'm a senior engineering manager at Mozilla. Are you saying that because Mozilla is a non-profit I should just accept to take a salary that is mediocre or below industry standard? What if we apply that to engineering too? Marketing, operations, SREs .. How do you think that would work out for Mozilla? Do you think we would have any impact if the place was run like that? Do you think we would have much talent on board?

consumer451 6y ago
In the interest of clarity and humility, I carry the baggage of having a very large anti-executive/administration/overhead bias. I was trying to speak for general sentiment before, which was dumb of me. Let me attempt to clarify my personal thinking: if for example there was a Patreon where I could give money to Mozilla engineering salaries directly, I would proudly pay $10/month. I would be willing to wager that many others would as well. If orgs want good feels and a write off, sure 501c Mozilla donations, but let’s go beyond all that. How about a Mozilla Security Patreon? How about a Mozilla Rust Pateron? My point is that there is so much good will and money, just on HN, for Mozilla engineering... can we come up with ways to fund engineering directly? I realize there needs to be a CEO, etc, but there should also be a funding structure to pay you and your peers more, directly. Edit: I am just using Patreon as an example of direct creator funding, other mechanisms may be more applicable.