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> Apple is the only reason this piece of junk is still selling. And it's buggy on macOS too. It's the only program on my computer that does some wacky shit wit

> Apple is the only reason this piece of junk is still selling. And it's buggy on macOS too. It's the only program on my computer that does some wacky shit with window management, such that sometimes other apps' windows appear on top of it. It very much feels like it tries its best to go against AppKit for no good reason, and then reimplement some of its behavior but shittily. Oh and also, the "new document" dialog takes literally 5 seconds to load. Edit: I'm using an older version, 2017 I think? Updating it is quite a process as a non-paying user, and none of the new features are worth it for me.

kitsunesoba 6y ago
As someone who used to spend countless hours in Photoshop it was hard to watch PS becoming worse on macOS with each major revision. 6.0, 7.0, and CS1 were awesome on Mac, but somewhere around CS2 it started falling apart and it's been in a downward spiral ever since. These days I'm using a mix of Affinity Photo, Affinity Designer, and Sketch, but if Adobe dusted off the source on 7.0 or CS1, updated it to work with modern macOS, and offered it as a single time purchase I'd buy it immediately.
- Kluny 6y ago
  I switched to Affinity when I got a new mac and could not port my old copy of CS6 over. I'm having a hard time getting used to it, to be honest. How did you get past the learning curve?
  - kitsunesoba 6y ago
    Just kept adobe stuff completely uninstalled so I had no other option, really. Still don't have affinity mastered as well though, it's a work in progress. Sketch came along pretty easy, it's much more natural for UI work than Illustrator.
- emayljames 6y ago
  Dreamweaver is very stuck in the past also. Adobe put some Brackets code into it, to try improve it (Adobe version of VS Code), and somehow managed to make it worse. You would think they would have brought in the good part (its ecosystem of plugins) but no, they pulled in a bit of code rendering and nothing much else. It cant even do basic linting of JavaScript!, does really annoying focus stealing on the OS (click maximize on other application stays hidden), and crashes and rendering goes fuzzy all the time.
  - grishka 6y ago
    Dreamweaver? That's the name I haven't heard in a long time. I remember being taught how to use it as a static website generator. Is someone still using this thing?
- grishka 6y ago
  > 6.0, 7.0, and CS1 were awesome on Mac They're so old they're PPC-only. And 7.0 even has an OS 9 version. I definitely did use these versions in the mid/late 00s, and they were indeed snappy, but I was on Windows back then. Macs were prohibitively expensive over here.
CharlesW 6y ago
> Oh and also, the "new document" dialog takes literally 5 seconds to load. Just tried on a 2018 Mac mini, and it appeared about 250ms after I hit Command-N.
dillondoyle 6y ago
The recent update seems to have fixed my biggest bug - like bare minimum broken app... It wouldn't 'paint' when you switch windows and back; it was just a grey block of nothing, would have to zoom in and out to see the graphics. Doesn't happen anymore, also make sure 'use graphics processor' is on. But to be fair I think the object selection tool is pretty cool and somewhat new & 'innovative.' though still lags behind. AE has had roto for a while and some basic ML you can find online has better feature detection. Still cool to see them heading in this direction having good edges would save a ton of time.

kitsunesoba 6y ago

As someone who used to spend countless hours in Photoshop it was hard to watch PS becoming worse on macOS with each major revision. 6.0, 7.0, and CS1 were awesome on Mac, but somewhere around CS2 it started falling apart and it's been in a downward spiral ever since. These days I'm using a mix of Affinity Photo, Affinity Designer, and Sketch, but if Adobe dusted off the source on 7.0 or CS1, updated it to work with modern macOS, and offered it as a single time purchase I'd buy it immediately.

Kluny 6y ago
I switched to Affinity when I got a new mac and could not port my old copy of CS6 over. I'm having a hard time getting used to it, to be honest. How did you get past the learning curve?
- kitsunesoba 6y ago
  Just kept adobe stuff completely uninstalled so I had no other option, really. Still don't have affinity mastered as well though, it's a work in progress. Sketch came along pretty easy, it's much more natural for UI work than Illustrator.
emayljames 6y ago
Dreamweaver is very stuck in the past also. Adobe put some Brackets code into it, to try improve it (Adobe version of VS Code), and somehow managed to make it worse. You would think they would have brought in the good part (its ecosystem of plugins) but no, they pulled in a bit of code rendering and nothing much else. It cant even do basic linting of JavaScript!, does really annoying focus stealing on the OS (click maximize on other application stays hidden), and crashes and rendering goes fuzzy all the time.
- grishka 6y ago
  Dreamweaver? That's the name I haven't heard in a long time. I remember being taught how to use it as a static website generator. Is someone still using this thing?
grishka 6y ago
> 6.0, 7.0, and CS1 were awesome on Mac They're so old they're PPC-only. And 7.0 even has an OS 9 version. I definitely did use these versions in the mid/late 00s, and they were indeed snappy, but I was on Windows back then. Macs were prohibitively expensive over here.

CharlesW 6y ago

> Oh and also, the "new document" dialog takes literally 5 seconds to load. Just tried on a 2018 Mac mini, and it appeared about 250ms after I hit Command-N.

dillondoyle 6y ago

The recent update seems to have fixed my biggest bug - like bare minimum broken app... It wouldn't 'paint' when you switch windows and back; it was just a grey block of nothing, would have to zoom in and out to see the graphics. Doesn't happen anymore, also make sure 'use graphics processor' is on. But to be fair I think the object selection tool is pretty cool and somewhat new & 'innovative.' though still lags behind. AE has had roto for a while and some basic ML you can find online has better feature detection. Still cool to see them heading in this direction having good edges would save a ton of time.