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Actually up to a weight for weight match or even more in the case of lighter humans, a single dog is trivial to defeat in combat unless it is properly trained t

by K0balt 6y ago

Actually up to a weight for weight match or even more in the case of lighter humans, a single dog is trivial to defeat in combat unless it is properly trained to never fully engage and only to tear and dash. If a person reacts aggressively and not trying to escape, a dog is easily defeated. Just have to protect your throat and keep facing the dog. Allow it to grab you on a limb , preferably a hand or arm, and you have control. Humans have three mouths , dogs only one. Force your hand / arm into the dogs mouth and do not pull away. Use the other hand to control the snout and remove the eyes. Use your mouth to destroy the snout and associated bone structure. If you can get your hand into the mouth reach for the lungs and asphyxiate the animal. Two Dogs gets tricky. Three dogs is deadly.

edoceo 6y ago
> Humans have three mouths What?
- walrus01 6y ago
  I'm picturing some sort of lovecraftian horror of human/dog/multi mouth dog hybrid
- theonemind 6y ago
  Guessing it's a metaphor indicating that a human hand can accomplish the offensive goals of a dog's mouth, and so can the human's mouth.
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jdking 6y ago
This is the weirdest comment I’ve ever read on HN!
- SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
  As poorly conceived as it sounds. It’s not wrong. It’s the same advice for grizzly bears. You need to straight up break the animals instincts from attack to protect, and a non-armed way to go that is to attack eyes or mouth and eyes are hard to go to. Bears specifically have strong gag reflexes, IDK about dogs.
- BalinKing 6y ago
  Never before have I heard "reach into an animal and grab its lungs from the inside" as a defense strategy. That's a new one.
dealpete 6y ago
I'm not sure that plunging my arm down its throat and choking it with my fist would be my first instinct if I were attacked by a dog :)
- giardini 6y ago
  Amen, brother! But that's why you have to practice, practice, practice! Hit the dojo! Hard to find dogs, bears or sharks willing to spar though! Maybe a rubber bear?
Judgmentality 6y ago
I can't tell if this is a serious comment or not, but if you're being serious this is horrible advice. Some dogs bites are strong enough to crush bones, and they aren't even 100 pounds. You want to willingly give them a limb so they can actually snap it in half? Sure, if you're fighting a 50 pound Australian Shepherd, have at it. If you're fighting a 150 pound German Shepherd, you're going to die.
- leetcrew 6y ago
  yeah I've seen a chessie crush a deer's skull in his mouth, seemed pretty casual for him too. I'm certainly not gonna try this with any guard breeds.
  - SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
    A Neapolitan mastiff I lived with was swimming next to me, he wasn’t super comfortable in water and as we were swimming he bit into my forearm and hit bone. He didn’t mean it at all. I don’t even think he knew it happened. He was pretty dumb, but that is beside the point. OP’s advice isn’t actually awful. If I actually had to fight Ben Dog, I would have no option but to go into the mouth. Same for grizzlies. But.... I would not want to do this and am certain I would take a lot of damage. This would be a case where the only way to win would be to avoid.
- objectivetruth 6y ago
  I think it's good advice -- it's what I was taught growing up, but admittedly and thankfully I've never had to use it. Sacrifice your non-dominant forearm to the dog bite, and when it locks on, use your other hand to kill it. (At this point,the advice I always heard was to bring it into your body and break its neck or at least choke it to death, which seems easier for a panicked, injured human than gouging out the eyes.) I have used a similar but less intense strategy when dealing with poorly-trained (smaller) dogs that try to bite me, though again, these aren't killer breeds -- just jam your hand as far back into the dog's mouth as fast as you can, and it won't be able to bite down. As you noted, I wouldn't try that with an unfriendly 100 pound GS because I would try really hard not to let it get within biting range of me in the first place :-)
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giardini 6y ago
Good advice but hard to accept and harder to practice. I always carry a pocket knife and sometimes a walking stick or umbrella - animals haven't yet figured out umbrellas.
yaml-ops-guy 6y ago
I showed this to my gal pal, an animal surgeon of 12 years. She's still laughing. Also: How does one shove their arm down a dog's mouth if the dog's mouth is already busy biting the non-free arm?

by K0balt 6y ago

edoceo 6y ago

> Humans have three mouths What?

walrus01 6y ago
I'm picturing some sort of lovecraftian horror of human/dog/multi mouth dog hybrid
theonemind 6y ago
Guessing it's a metaphor indicating that a human hand can accomplish the offensive goals of a dog's mouth, and so can the human's mouth.
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jdking 6y ago

This is the weirdest comment I’ve ever read on HN!

SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
As poorly conceived as it sounds. It’s not wrong. It’s the same advice for grizzly bears. You need to straight up break the animals instincts from attack to protect, and a non-armed way to go that is to attack eyes or mouth and eyes are hard to go to. Bears specifically have strong gag reflexes, IDK about dogs.
BalinKing 6y ago
Never before have I heard "reach into an animal and grab its lungs from the inside" as a defense strategy. That's a new one.

dealpete 6y ago

I'm not sure that plunging my arm down its throat and choking it with my fist would be my first instinct if I were attacked by a dog :)

giardini 6y ago
Amen, brother! But that's why you have to practice, practice, practice! Hit the dojo! Hard to find dogs, bears or sharks willing to spar though! Maybe a rubber bear?

Judgmentality 6y ago

I can't tell if this is a serious comment or not, but if you're being serious this is horrible advice. Some dogs bites are strong enough to crush bones, and they aren't even 100 pounds. You want to willingly give them a limb so they can actually snap it in half? Sure, if you're fighting a 50 pound Australian Shepherd, have at it. If you're fighting a 150 pound German Shepherd, you're going to die.

leetcrew 6y ago
yeah I've seen a chessie crush a deer's skull in his mouth, seemed pretty casual for him too. I'm certainly not gonna try this with any guard breeds.
- SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
  A Neapolitan mastiff I lived with was swimming next to me, he wasn’t super comfortable in water and as we were swimming he bit into my forearm and hit bone. He didn’t mean it at all. I don’t even think he knew it happened. He was pretty dumb, but that is beside the point. OP’s advice isn’t actually awful. If I actually had to fight Ben Dog, I would have no option but to go into the mouth. Same for grizzlies. But.... I would not want to do this and am certain I would take a lot of damage. This would be a case where the only way to win would be to avoid.
objectivetruth 6y ago
I think it's good advice -- it's what I was taught growing up, but admittedly and thankfully I've never had to use it. Sacrifice your non-dominant forearm to the dog bite, and when it locks on, use your other hand to kill it. (At this point,the advice I always heard was to bring it into your body and break its neck or at least choke it to death, which seems easier for a panicked, injured human than gouging out the eyes.) I have used a similar but less intense strategy when dealing with poorly-trained (smaller) dogs that try to bite me, though again, these aren't killer breeds -- just jam your hand as far back into the dog's mouth as fast as you can, and it won't be able to bite down. As you noted, I wouldn't try that with an unfriendly 100 pound GS because I would try really hard not to let it get within biting range of me in the first place :-)

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giardini 6y ago

Good advice but hard to accept and harder to practice. I always carry a pocket knife and sometimes a walking stick or umbrella - animals haven't yet figured out umbrellas.

yaml-ops-guy 6y ago

I showed this to my gal pal, an animal surgeon of 12 years. She's still laughing. Also: How does one shove their arm down a dog's mouth if the dog's mouth is already busy biting the non-free arm?