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These types of articles give me the creeps. It’s fashionable now to dox people as long as they’re on the outside, presuming you can use enough “labels” to justi

These types of articles give me the creeps. It’s fashionable now to dox people as long as they’re on the outside, presuming you can use enough “labels” to justify it, such as “nazi” etc. American politics is now one big tribal crap show.

krapp 6y ago
First they came for the Neo-Nazis, and I did nothing, because I was not a Neo-Nazi. Then they came for the pedophiles, and I did nothing, because I was not a pedophile. Then they didn't come for me, because the slippery-slope fallacy is bullshit.
- ed25519FUUU 6y ago
  I’ve seen this a few times on the net and it’s weird quote to me, because the nazis did incrementally come after more groups; Jews, gay, Gypsies, disabled, etc. Is my takeaway that it didn’t happen or something else?
  - krapp 6y ago
    You don't get the joke? Ok. The poem by Martin Niemoller is often used by far-right apologists to draw a false equivalence between themselves and their opponents, implying that anyone who would fight right-wing extremism is just as much of an evil as the Nazis, doing so under false pretenses, and will simply by virtue of their opposition act as the Nazis themselves did. And yet, in reality, the people who want to "come after" Jews, gays, gypsies, etc are those extremists, not the people opposing them. The slope is in reality only slippery in one direction.
    - felle_realist 6y ago
      > The slope is in reality only slippery in one direction. OK, how about: - first they came after the white men but I did not speak up for I am not a white man, - then they came after the heterosexual men but I did not speak up for I am not a heterosexual man, - then they came after the asian men but I did not speak up for I am not an asian man, - ... many identity categories elided ... . they they came after me and there was nobody left to speak up for me... For sure it is not those "right-wing extremists" who are doing those things I outlined and with that the slippery slope seems to apply to others as well? Better not to bring up that whole slippery slope thing since it cuts all ways and as such does not add anything to the conversation.
    - cipher_system 6y ago
      Assuming there's only two directions in your example. Do you really think the slope is only slippery on the right side?
      - cozuya 6y ago
        "At first they came for the people that wanted everyone to have health care, then they came for the people who wanted LGBT people to be treated fairly"...
      - CompanionCubee 6y ago
        One of the benefits of having only one eye, you only see one side! :)
      - krapp 6y ago
        Only one side intends for it to be slippery, yes, and it isn't the side that doesn't like nazis. Because, you see, we've already been through this and fighting nazis and fascists and racists the first time hasn't led to the dystopian nightmare anyone is warning about now.
    - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
      You don't think a similar thing could be written about Communist Russia from 1918 to 1920, say? Do you think that didn't happen? Or do you think they and the Nazis were the same side? They were extremists - I'm with you there - but more than one side has had extremists.
  - CompanionCubee 6y ago
    >I’ve seen this a few times on the net and it’s weird quote to me, because the nazis did incrementally come after more groups; Jews, gay, Gypsies, disabled, etc. >Is my takeaway that it didn’t happen or something else? It's supposed to be a shibboleth

krapp 6y ago

First they came for the Neo-Nazis, and I did nothing, because I was not a Neo-Nazi. Then they came for the pedophiles, and I did nothing, because I was not a pedophile. Then they didn't come for me, because the slippery-slope fallacy is bullshit.

ed25519FUUU 6y ago
I’ve seen this a few times on the net and it’s weird quote to me, because the nazis did incrementally come after more groups; Jews, gay, Gypsies, disabled, etc. Is my takeaway that it didn’t happen or something else?
- krapp 6y ago
  You don't get the joke? Ok. The poem by Martin Niemoller is often used by far-right apologists to draw a false equivalence between themselves and their opponents, implying that anyone who would fight right-wing extremism is just as much of an evil as the Nazis, doing so under false pretenses, and will simply by virtue of their opposition act as the Nazis themselves did. And yet, in reality, the people who want to "come after" Jews, gays, gypsies, etc are those extremists, not the people opposing them. The slope is in reality only slippery in one direction.
  - felle_realist 6y ago
    > The slope is in reality only slippery in one direction. OK, how about: - first they came after the white men but I did not speak up for I am not a white man, - then they came after the heterosexual men but I did not speak up for I am not a heterosexual man, - then they came after the asian men but I did not speak up for I am not an asian man, - ... many identity categories elided ... . they they came after me and there was nobody left to speak up for me... For sure it is not those "right-wing extremists" who are doing those things I outlined and with that the slippery slope seems to apply to others as well? Better not to bring up that whole slippery slope thing since it cuts all ways and as such does not add anything to the conversation.
  - cipher_system 6y ago
    Assuming there's only two directions in your example. Do you really think the slope is only slippery on the right side?
    - cozuya 6y ago
      "At first they came for the people that wanted everyone to have health care, then they came for the people who wanted LGBT people to be treated fairly"...
    - CompanionCubee 6y ago
      One of the benefits of having only one eye, you only see one side! :)
    - krapp 6y ago
      Only one side intends for it to be slippery, yes, and it isn't the side that doesn't like nazis. Because, you see, we've already been through this and fighting nazis and fascists and racists the first time hasn't led to the dystopian nightmare anyone is warning about now.
  - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
    You don't think a similar thing could be written about Communist Russia from 1918 to 1920, say? Do you think that didn't happen? Or do you think they and the Nazis were the same side? They were extremists - I'm with you there - but more than one side has had extremists.
- CompanionCubee 6y ago
  >I’ve seen this a few times on the net and it’s weird quote to me, because the nazis did incrementally come after more groups; Jews, gay, Gypsies, disabled, etc. >Is my takeaway that it didn’t happen or something else? It's supposed to be a shibboleth