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It wouldn't be post about far-right extremist attacks without someone in the comments trying to "whataboutism" it about leftists.

Ygg2 5y ago
Because leftist used revolutionary terror to achieve their goals as well. It's not whataboutism if they have a history of doing it.
- j4yav 5y ago
  Whataboutism doesnt mean that what was brought up is not true, just that it distracts from the original criticism. The classic example is “Soviet Union has problems? Well, look how the US is treating black people.”
  - dempseye 5y ago
    If someone is criticizing you in bad faith, and from a position of utter hypocrisy, it is fair enough to point that out. There is nothing to gain from battling an adversary like that on their terms.
    - j4yav 5y ago
      Sure, I am just commenting on the statement that it is not whataboutism because it is true.
  - Ygg2 5y ago
    It was in context of possible mindsets. That's not whataboutism either. Because it talks about possible mindsets not current state of affairs. No one was talking about current far right or far left politics in US until the message I replied to.
sucking4SaaS 5y ago
Or someone else making snarky comments like this in response. Let's not pretend that the problem of people being brainwashed into extreme beliefs and even acting on them inside the various echo chambers of the internet is limited to any particular demographic. It's one of the elephants in this increasingly digital room of ours that achingly needs addressing.
- DanBC 5y ago
  We need to be clear that domestic terrorism in the US is evenly split between pseudo-Islamic extremism and the far right. Terrorist action from the left currently counts for a tiny amount of this violence.
  - aww_dang 5y ago
    While the riots of last summer were not characterized as terrorism, they were instances of political violence resulting in massive property damage and multiple deaths. https://www.google.com/search?q=fiery+but+mostly+peaceful https://www.google.com/search?q=fiery+but+mostly+peaceful There's a palatable element of partisanship distorting the presentation of these issues. Instead of looking for equivalence or ranking which side is worse, perhaps we should blanketly condemn political violence.
    - DanBC 5y ago
      > While the riots of last summer were not characterized as terrorism, You can see how this destroys anything that you're about to say, right? To try to engage with your point: there's a difference between a demonstration (BLM) and bombing a church (far right). There's a difference between riots (BLM) and mass murder at a synagogue (far right). There's a difference between organising a march (BLM) and driving cars into protestors at that march (far right). Stop trying to draw equivalence between these things. They are not the same. > There's a palatable element of partisanship The FBI isn't a partisan organisation and they're very clear: the current domestic threats are from the far right and islamic extremism.

Ygg2 5y ago

Because leftist used revolutionary terror to achieve their goals as well. It's not whataboutism if they have a history of doing it.

j4yav 5y ago
Whataboutism doesnt mean that what was brought up is not true, just that it distracts from the original criticism. The classic example is “Soviet Union has problems? Well, look how the US is treating black people.”
- dempseye 5y ago
  If someone is criticizing you in bad faith, and from a position of utter hypocrisy, it is fair enough to point that out. There is nothing to gain from battling an adversary like that on their terms.
  - j4yav 5y ago
    Sure, I am just commenting on the statement that it is not whataboutism because it is true.
- Ygg2 5y ago
  It was in context of possible mindsets. That's not whataboutism either. Because it talks about possible mindsets not current state of affairs. No one was talking about current far right or far left politics in US until the message I replied to.

sucking4SaaS 5y ago

Or someone else making snarky comments like this in response. Let's not pretend that the problem of people being brainwashed into extreme beliefs and even acting on them inside the various echo chambers of the internet is limited to any particular demographic. It's one of the elephants in this increasingly digital room of ours that achingly needs addressing.

DanBC 5y ago
We need to be clear that domestic terrorism in the US is evenly split between pseudo-Islamic extremism and the far right. Terrorist action from the left currently counts for a tiny amount of this violence.
- aww_dang 5y ago
  While the riots of last summer were not characterized as terrorism, they were instances of political violence resulting in massive property damage and multiple deaths. https://www.google.com/search?q=fiery+but+mostly+peaceful https://www.google.com/search?q=fiery+but+mostly+peaceful There's a palatable element of partisanship distorting the presentation of these issues. Instead of looking for equivalence or ranking which side is worse, perhaps we should blanketly condemn political violence.
  - DanBC 5y ago
    > While the riots of last summer were not characterized as terrorism, You can see how this destroys anything that you're about to say, right? To try to engage with your point: there's a difference between a demonstration (BLM) and bombing a church (far right). There's a difference between riots (BLM) and mass murder at a synagogue (far right). There's a difference between organising a march (BLM) and driving cars into protestors at that march (far right). Stop trying to draw equivalence between these things. They are not the same. > There's a palatable element of partisanship The FBI isn't a partisan organisation and they're very clear: the current domestic threats are from the far right and islamic extremism.