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So what if anti-maskers feel justified in their own perspective? From the perspective of Jeffrey Dahmer, killing and eating people is justified. What is the poi

by feoren 6y ago

So what if anti-maskers feel justified in their own perspective? From the perspective of Jeffrey Dahmer, killing and eating people is justified. What is the point of making that comment, other than muddying the waters with some false equivalency nonsense? Anti-maskers are awful, awful people. It is reasonable to be mad at them because they are killing people; their anger is not based on reason and it is not equivalent.

totony 6y ago
>they are killing people how so?
- feoren 6y ago
  Are you asking me to educate you on how disease transmission occurs? I'll need help understanding where you're coming from here. Do you know what a virus is? Do you think the Earth is flat? You at least seem to be able to read, so that's a good start -- you're somewhere between the stone age and the bronze age then.
  - totony 6y ago
    You do not have to make personal attacks. To enlighten you about nuance, think about this: - Is driving a car the same as killing people? - Is selling junk food the same as killing people?
mikem170 6y ago
Influenza kills 250k to 650k people a year [0], year after year after year. By your logic does that make anyone who hasn't been wearing a mask during flu season for all years past a killer? Or is there something different about flu deaths, but not covid deaths?
- feoren 6y ago
  Do you hear yourself? Because the flu kills more people, it's OK to drive drunk? It's OK to throw rocks off of highway overpasses and tall buildings? How can you call people who do that killers, when they're causing fewer deaths than the flu!? There are plenty of countries where people do wear masks during flu season if they feel like they might be sick. Yes, an anti-masker who would berate and assault people on buses for wearing a mask during flu season is fighting for the explicit goal of increasing random, avoidable deaths of strangers and is therefore a killer/terrorist.
  - mikem170 6y ago
    I didn't say it was ok to drive drunk. Were your questions rhetorical? I asked a question, and don't understand your answer. I didn't say anything about an anti-masker berating someone not wearing a mask. I don't think it's right to berate other people, or tell other people what to do. You said earlier that "Anti-maskers are awful" ... "they are killing people". So I wondered if I should consider anyone who hasn't been wearing a mask during every flu season an awful killer, also. The flu kills millions of people every decade. People spread it, sometimes not knowing that they are contagious. My question again: Do you consider people who don't wear a mask during flu seasons to be killers? I ask because it's not often I hear someone call people "killers" over not wearing a mask, and thought to explore the topic more, if you're up for it. If not, that's ok. Some of my thoughts below: It seems that the number of victims has something to do with this. Perhaps we are used to the flu killing a half million people per year, but covid killing a few million is different? The flu sometimes kills that many people, like in 1968. Perhaps more people wore masks then? I wonder if the numbers matter more, or the fact that we are not used to the numbers? Or maybe it depends on how one looks at the numbers. Every death is an individual tragedy. It would save lives if we all wore masks all of the time. I guess we don't because it is dehumanizing not to be able to see each other smile? I guess as a society we do have some thresholds to judge these risks. Perhaps we don't all judge these risks the same. Like I said, I was curious about your thoughts, if you care to share.

by feoren 6y ago

totony 6y ago

>they are killing people how so?

feoren 6y ago
Are you asking me to educate you on how disease transmission occurs? I'll need help understanding where you're coming from here. Do you know what a virus is? Do you think the Earth is flat? You at least seem to be able to read, so that's a good start -- you're somewhere between the stone age and the bronze age then.
- totony 6y ago
  You do not have to make personal attacks. To enlighten you about nuance, think about this: - Is driving a car the same as killing people? - Is selling junk food the same as killing people?

mikem170 6y ago

Influenza kills 250k to 650k people a year [0], year after year after year. By your logic does that make anyone who hasn't been wearing a mask during flu season for all years past a killer? Or is there something different about flu deaths, but not covid deaths?

feoren 6y ago
Do you hear yourself? Because the flu kills more people, it's OK to drive drunk? It's OK to throw rocks off of highway overpasses and tall buildings? How can you call people who do that killers, when they're causing fewer deaths than the flu!? There are plenty of countries where people do wear masks during flu season if they feel like they might be sick. Yes, an anti-masker who would berate and assault people on buses for wearing a mask during flu season is fighting for the explicit goal of increasing random, avoidable deaths of strangers and is therefore a killer/terrorist.
- mikem170 6y ago
  I didn't say it was ok to drive drunk. Were your questions rhetorical? I asked a question, and don't understand your answer. I didn't say anything about an anti-masker berating someone not wearing a mask. I don't think it's right to berate other people, or tell other people what to do. You said earlier that "Anti-maskers are awful" ... "they are killing people". So I wondered if I should consider anyone who hasn't been wearing a mask during every flu season an awful killer, also. The flu kills millions of people every decade. People spread it, sometimes not knowing that they are contagious. My question again: Do you consider people who don't wear a mask during flu seasons to be killers? I ask because it's not often I hear someone call people "killers" over not wearing a mask, and thought to explore the topic more, if you're up for it. If not, that's ok. Some of my thoughts below: It seems that the number of victims has something to do with this. Perhaps we are used to the flu killing a half million people per year, but covid killing a few million is different? The flu sometimes kills that many people, like in 1968. Perhaps more people wore masks then? I wonder if the numbers matter more, or the fact that we are not used to the numbers? Or maybe it depends on how one looks at the numbers. Every death is an individual tragedy. It would save lives if we all wore masks all of the time. I guess we don't because it is dehumanizing not to be able to see each other smile? I guess as a society we do have some thresholds to judge these risks. Perhaps we don't all judge these risks the same. Like I said, I was curious about your thoughts, if you care to share.