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You seem to be allowing emotion to influence your judgment here. I'm pretty sure raw talent still means you have a set of demonstrable skills which fill a need.

You seem to be allowing emotion to influence your judgment here. I'm pretty sure raw talent still means you have a set of demonstrable skills which fill a need. Either they were not in need of what your resume shown you to be proficient in or your resume didn't indicate enough talent/experience to meet their needs.

citizenkeys 15y ago
If Google wants to win the so-called "talent war" going on right now in Silicon Valley, then it would seem Google would rather hire the talent immediately simply to prevent the talent from taking a job elsewhere. This seems to be Facebook's strategy with it's so-called "manquisitions". If you're Google, waiting until you absolutely know you need a specific talent seems like an approach that would definately keep fresh innovative ideas and creativity out of your company. Imagine a young Mark Zuckerberg going to Google for a job. Zuck says "I got this great idea for social networking for college students." Google HR says "We don't have a position open for that right now. Plus you don't have a good resume and you're not a fancy-pants PhD. Don't call us. We'll get back to you." Zuck goes down the street, continues to work on Facebook, and then promptly hires away all of Google's employees. The rest is history. What I want to hear from Google right now is "Patrick, we don't have a specific job for you yet, but we would rather hire you now anyway to prevent you from accepting an offer elsewhere." But that'd just be too damn easy, I guess.
- nowarninglabel 15y ago
  Do you have an offer from elsewhere? If the answer is no, then your logic is falling flat.
  - citizenkeys 15y ago
    No, your logic falls flat. Because what you're suggesting is that a competitor needs to notice and recruit talent before you'll even consider making an offer. In which case, you've already fallen behind by letting a competitor get to the talent first.
    - Toddward 15y ago
      Can you qualify yourself as a talent? Does your resume and/or cover letter show that? It's easy for any of us to say we're a talent - it's how you show that you're a talent that will make you attractive to an employer (not only just Google). At least you know they're looking at your application - I graduated with a political science degree in December and have been sending steady streams of applications for months with nary a peep from Google recruiting.
      - citizenkeys 15y ago
        Person with great "resume and/or cover letter" only has proven talent in writing great "resume and/or cover letter". "The Google Resume" is a great book. It's written by a former hiring manager that's worked at Google, Apple, and Microsoft. Gayle Laakman also wrote "Cracking the Coding Interview" and runs www.careercup.com . Nobody gets hired by sending "steady streams of applications for months". You gotta stand out somehow. In my case, I run two websites that track over 300 start-ups. I was also personally referred to Google by a Stanford PhD already employeed by Google Research. Google has no excuse for not inviting me in the 'Plex.

citizenkeys 15y ago

If Google wants to win the so-called "talent war" going on right now in Silicon Valley, then it would seem Google would rather hire the talent immediately simply to prevent the talent from taking a job elsewhere. This seems to be Facebook's strategy with it's so-called "manquisitions". If you're Google, waiting until you absolutely know you need a specific talent seems like an approach that would definately keep fresh innovative ideas and creativity out of your company. Imagine a young Mark Zuckerberg going to Google for a job. Zuck says "I got this great idea for social networking for college students." Google HR says "We don't have a position open for that right now. Plus you don't have a good resume and you're not a fancy-pants PhD. Don't call us. We'll get back to you." Zuck goes down the street, continues to work on Facebook, and then promptly hires away all of Google's employees. The rest is history. What I want to hear from Google right now is "Patrick, we don't have a specific job for you yet, but we would rather hire you now anyway to prevent you from accepting an offer elsewhere." But that'd just be too damn easy, I guess.

nowarninglabel 15y ago
Do you have an offer from elsewhere? If the answer is no, then your logic is falling flat.
- citizenkeys 15y ago
  No, your logic falls flat. Because what you're suggesting is that a competitor needs to notice and recruit talent before you'll even consider making an offer. In which case, you've already fallen behind by letting a competitor get to the talent first.
  - Toddward 15y ago
    Can you qualify yourself as a talent? Does your resume and/or cover letter show that? It's easy for any of us to say we're a talent - it's how you show that you're a talent that will make you attractive to an employer (not only just Google). At least you know they're looking at your application - I graduated with a political science degree in December and have been sending steady streams of applications for months with nary a peep from Google recruiting.
    - citizenkeys 15y ago
      Person with great "resume and/or cover letter" only has proven talent in writing great "resume and/or cover letter". "The Google Resume" is a great book. It's written by a former hiring manager that's worked at Google, Apple, and Microsoft. Gayle Laakman also wrote "Cracking the Coding Interview" and runs www.careercup.com . Nobody gets hired by sending "steady streams of applications for months". You gotta stand out somehow. In my case, I run two websites that track over 300 start-ups. I was also personally referred to Google by a Stanford PhD already employeed by Google Research. Google has no excuse for not inviting me in the 'Plex.