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> However, I have zero sympathy for the authorities struggling to get people to take them seriously about masks after they started off by lying about it. This

by seoaeu 6y ago

> However, I have zero sympathy for the authorities struggling to get people to take them seriously about masks after they started off by lying about it. This is a common argument, but it is honestly kind of ridiculous. Like how can you claim with a straight face both: a) Authorities lied about masks not working, and b) Since authorities are known liars (see a), their current claims that masks do work must be untrue. Do these people really not know there is now broad consensus in what people knowledgeable on the topic believe works, or are they just making bad faith arguments because they don't want to follow it?

eloff 6y ago
Keep in mind I'm not claiming B. I'm saying that the authorities lying gives people a reason to be skeptical about future claims. The dangers of crying wolf.
- julianapostate 6y ago
  The authorities/institutions are always advancing their agenda. truth/lying is irrelevant. In most cases the agenda is consistent over years so it’s hard to notice the changes. During Covid the health agency agendas pivoted so rapidly their agenda changes where more abrupt. First, they needed to keep hospitals from getting overwhelmed so they said stuff about REAL n95 masks not working so healthcare could get them. Then they needed to stop people getting Covid figured masks might work so they said wear a face covering .. it can’t hurt. And then trump conspicuously didn’t wear a mask deep into the pandemic so it became about making trump look stupid and stopping his re-election, so the justification for masks came in full force shortly after trump went around not wearing one. Had trump been one of the first people wearing a mask talking about “China flu” early on. this whole mask policy would have been flipped.
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spookthesunset 6y ago
> Do these people really not know there is now broad consensus in what people knowledgeable on the topic believe works I mean, I don't think there is broad consensus. I think there is a hell of a lot of group think going on. Going against the grain literally gets you ridiculed, mocked, harassed, called an idiot and if you are in the medical industry... probably gets you on the blacklist. I don't trust a single bit of research generated about masks, or anything, while in the middle of a politically charged pandemic. All of it should be taken with a very healthy grain of salt. The idea that every intelligent, well meaning person agrees with what we are doing is lunacy. It would be insane to think that. This whole thing went from "go on cruises" to "lock it all down" in literally a week's time. Of course intelligent, well intentioned people might not agree with what is going on. It amazes me that people assume everybody smart has to be for all this.
- WalterGR 6y ago
  Going against the grain literally gets you ridiculed, mocked, harassed, called an idiot and if you are in the medical industry... probably gets you on the blacklist. "The blacklist"? Which one is that?
  - julianapostate 6y ago
    Google “dr loses job over Covid” to see the examples we are allowed to
    - WalterGR 6y ago
      Got it, thanks, that was good reading. Where is that consolidated into a black-list? It’s crazy that hiring and firing in the US comes to that list.

by seoaeu 6y ago

eloff 6y ago

Keep in mind I'm not claiming B. I'm saying that the authorities lying gives people a reason to be skeptical about future claims. The dangers of crying wolf.

julianapostate 6y ago
The authorities/institutions are always advancing their agenda. truth/lying is irrelevant. In most cases the agenda is consistent over years so it’s hard to notice the changes. During Covid the health agency agendas pivoted so rapidly their agenda changes where more abrupt. First, they needed to keep hospitals from getting overwhelmed so they said stuff about REAL n95 masks not working so healthcare could get them. Then they needed to stop people getting Covid figured masks might work so they said wear a face covering .. it can’t hurt. And then trump conspicuously didn’t wear a mask deep into the pandemic so it became about making trump look stupid and stopping his re-election, so the justification for masks came in full force shortly after trump went around not wearing one. Had trump been one of the first people wearing a mask talking about “China flu” early on. this whole mask policy would have been flipped.

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spookthesunset 6y ago

> Do these people really not know there is now broad consensus in what people knowledgeable on the topic believe works I mean, I don't think there is broad consensus. I think there is a hell of a lot of group think going on. Going against the grain literally gets you ridiculed, mocked, harassed, called an idiot and if you are in the medical industry... probably gets you on the blacklist. I don't trust a single bit of research generated about masks, or anything, while in the middle of a politically charged pandemic. All of it should be taken with a very healthy grain of salt. The idea that every intelligent, well meaning person agrees with what we are doing is lunacy. It would be insane to think that. This whole thing went from "go on cruises" to "lock it all down" in literally a week's time. Of course intelligent, well intentioned people might not agree with what is going on. It amazes me that people assume everybody smart has to be for all this.

WalterGR 6y ago
Going against the grain literally gets you ridiculed, mocked, harassed, called an idiot and if you are in the medical industry... probably gets you on the blacklist. "The blacklist"? Which one is that?
- julianapostate 6y ago
  Google “dr loses job over Covid” to see the examples we are allowed to
  - WalterGR 6y ago
    Got it, thanks, that was good reading. Where is that consolidated into a black-list? It’s crazy that hiring and firing in the US comes to that list.