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always pay attention who you hire, especially in HR. Woke and activist HR hires woke and activist people, woke and activist people will cause you trouble and ca

always pay attention who you hire, especially in HR. Woke and activist HR hires woke and activist people, woke and activist people will cause you trouble and can wreck your whole ship. This is true for every industry but especially for media, just look what happened to the once so prestigious news outlets, all taken hostage.

seriousquestion 5y ago
Smart companies have already been filtering them out. See Coinbase, who literally paid them to leave.
- geofft 5y ago
  Does this tend to improve the company's financial performance, or is this simply worth doing if you have certain political goals for your company that outweigh financial results? i.e., is this "smart companies" as in those with good financial ideas or "smart companies" as in those who want to build a non-woke world for the next generation? It seems like most SJW-converged companies have been doing just fine as companies, otherwise the invisible hand of the market would have put a stop to this long ago.
  - hanselot 5y ago
    Blizzard being the shining paragon in that regard?
redmeatforchina 5y ago
The ironic part is that even the most liberal anti-republican types are made miserable by woke employees. I worked at a tech company that went through the exact process you described. Liberal Democrat types used to keep politics out of the workplace for the most part. Then they started hiring woke brainwashed college students who aligned with them ideologically but not procedural. Now instead of the daily chat at the water cooler, we have employees screaming at meetings about the latest outrage, taking days off because something happened in the news, and crying when being woke doesn't help their performance reviews. Everybody is miserable and managers are fleeing.
asquabventured 5y ago
Cancel culture should be renamed cancer culture! It is TOXIC
- ethbr0 5y ago
  It should be named what it is, and has always been: anti-free speech. The line is when you take actions designed to prevent someone else from ever speaking, or people hearing their speech, instead of (as is your right) loudly calling them a *ist.
  - asquabventured 5y ago
    Absolutely correct.
  - yazaddaruvala 5y ago
    My personal preference is for Spotify to leave Rogan's content on their platform with disclaimers, so I can best decide if/how I listen to it. However, this is not a free speech issue. "free speech" only makes sense in the context of government regulation (vs individuals/corporations), because governments have a monopoly on violence. As soon as two non-government entities are "regulating each other", it is a matter of mutual free speech. e.g. what about the free speech of Spotify? Rogan sold his intellectual property, i.e. his speech, including the speech of his guests, to Spotify. Now depending on the contract (I do not know what the exclusivity clauses look like) Rogan might be able to host that content on other platforms, or he might not. Either way, on Spotify's platform, legally the speech is Spotify's not Rogan's nor the guests. FWIW, if recorded conversations/speech cannot be considered intellectual property, that can be bought and sold, all current media will be impacted as it cannot be run as a business.
vladTheInhaler 5y ago
One of the major political parties in the United States denies that it lost the last election, sent goons to storm the seat of government, and is actively trying to deny people the ability to vote. But the real problem is "woke people" bumming you out by being all self-righteous.
- rorykoehler 5y ago
  I don’t see how both can’t be problems at the same time?
  - vladTheInhaler 5y ago
    If you look at the commenter's history, it becomes clear that they are much more concerned with one than the other.
    - aleister_777 5y ago
      Were you speaking about yourself?
      - vladTheInhaler 5y ago
        You're really going to go with "I'm rubber and you're glue"? But yes, I'm definitely more worried about getting shot, stabbed, or run over by an alt right extremist at a protest than I am about getting woke-scolded by someone on twitter. You caught me.
- ethbr0 5y ago
  Did we read the same parent comment?
- benchaney 5y ago
  A country can have more than one problem. It is deeply foolish to suggest that only one of them can be the "real problem".
- 5y ago
themolecularman 5y ago
I agree with another poster that Spotify employees should stand up on principle in opposition to the internal employees that are now running the asylum. I listen to JRE on Spotify and am not happy about the decision. Actually the first episode I listened to was an Alex Jones + Tim Dillon episode (Tim being a comic I like) that is now gone. And while I don't agree with Alex Jones, I listened to it because I expected it to be controversial or nutty. There are people who say once you give in to the woke mob they won't stop there, I wouldn't be surprised if now they know they can get other targets canceled if those targets don't consume their orthodoxy.
- snicksnak 5y ago
  The Alex Jones and Tim Dillon episode is one of the best ones ever, very sad they pulled it, at least it's still on youtube (for now).
mullingitover 5y ago
The problem with notion this is that 'woke' or 'activist' values are actually pretty reflective of mainstream values in 21st century society. I would worry more about the legal exposure of people who express opposition to diversity/equity/inclusiveness, as these are very likely to be the people who would end up behaving inappropriately and getting the company mired in harassment and discrimination suits.
- refurb 5y ago
  The very fact these value are called “activist” and “woke” means they aren’t mainstream values. And it’s not the values, it’s the disruption. If you had anti-abortion Republicans doing the same would everyone be saying how the company should “tread lightly”.
  - mullingitover 5y ago
    The labels 'activist' and 'woke' are generally applied derisively by people people who don't share these values. To the mainstream these traits are generally not even labeled, they're just what we consider common decency in this decade. When my parents were my age it was 'activist' and 'woke' to be in favor of mixed race marriages. Times change. > And it’s not the values, it’s the disruption. People want to feel like they're in a career that aligns with their values, and the more in demand your talent is, the more you're able to make demands of your employers to have them be values-aligned. If employers don't need top shelf talent, they're free to ignore that and be less competitive in the market for talent. However, successful companies usually tend to compete. We're talking about Spotify because they competed for and hired high-grade talent, and that high-grade talent wants their company to be values-aligned.
    - refurb 5y ago
      Thankfully silencing opinions you disagree with isn’t mainstream...yet.
      - mullingitover 5y ago

seriousquestion 5y ago

Smart companies have already been filtering them out. See Coinbase, who literally paid them to leave.

geofft 5y ago
Does this tend to improve the company's financial performance, or is this simply worth doing if you have certain political goals for your company that outweigh financial results? i.e., is this "smart companies" as in those with good financial ideas or "smart companies" as in those who want to build a non-woke world for the next generation? It seems like most SJW-converged companies have been doing just fine as companies, otherwise the invisible hand of the market would have put a stop to this long ago.
- hanselot 5y ago
  Blizzard being the shining paragon in that regard?

redmeatforchina 5y ago

The ironic part is that even the most liberal anti-republican types are made miserable by woke employees. I worked at a tech company that went through the exact process you described. Liberal Democrat types used to keep politics out of the workplace for the most part. Then they started hiring woke brainwashed college students who aligned with them ideologically but not procedural. Now instead of the daily chat at the water cooler, we have employees screaming at meetings about the latest outrage, taking days off because something happened in the news, and crying when being woke doesn't help their performance reviews. Everybody is miserable and managers are fleeing.

asquabventured 5y ago

Cancel culture should be renamed cancer culture! It is TOXIC

ethbr0 5y ago
It should be named what it is, and has always been: anti-free speech. The line is when you take actions designed to prevent someone else from ever speaking, or people hearing their speech, instead of (as is your right) loudly calling them a *ist.
- asquabventured 5y ago
  Absolutely correct.
- yazaddaruvala 5y ago
  My personal preference is for Spotify to leave Rogan's content on their platform with disclaimers, so I can best decide if/how I listen to it. However, this is not a free speech issue. "free speech" only makes sense in the context of government regulation (vs individuals/corporations), because governments have a monopoly on violence. As soon as two non-government entities are "regulating each other", it is a matter of mutual free speech. e.g. what about the free speech of Spotify? Rogan sold his intellectual property, i.e. his speech, including the speech of his guests, to Spotify. Now depending on the contract (I do not know what the exclusivity clauses look like) Rogan might be able to host that content on other platforms, or he might not. Either way, on Spotify's platform, legally the speech is Spotify's not Rogan's nor the guests. FWIW, if recorded conversations/speech cannot be considered intellectual property, that can be bought and sold, all current media will be impacted as it cannot be run as a business.

vladTheInhaler 5y ago

One of the major political parties in the United States denies that it lost the last election, sent goons to storm the seat of government, and is actively trying to deny people the ability to vote. But the real problem is "woke people" bumming you out by being all self-righteous.

rorykoehler 5y ago
I don’t see how both can’t be problems at the same time?
- vladTheInhaler 5y ago
  If you look at the commenter's history, it becomes clear that they are much more concerned with one than the other.
  - aleister_777 5y ago
    Were you speaking about yourself?
    - vladTheInhaler 5y ago
      You're really going to go with "I'm rubber and you're glue"? But yes, I'm definitely more worried about getting shot, stabbed, or run over by an alt right extremist at a protest than I am about getting woke-scolded by someone on twitter. You caught me.
ethbr0 5y ago
Did we read the same parent comment?
benchaney 5y ago
A country can have more than one problem. It is deeply foolish to suggest that only one of them can be the "real problem".
5y ago

themolecularman 5y ago

I agree with another poster that Spotify employees should stand up on principle in opposition to the internal employees that are now running the asylum. I listen to JRE on Spotify and am not happy about the decision. Actually the first episode I listened to was an Alex Jones + Tim Dillon episode (Tim being a comic I like) that is now gone. And while I don't agree with Alex Jones, I listened to it because I expected it to be controversial or nutty. There are people who say once you give in to the woke mob they won't stop there, I wouldn't be surprised if now they know they can get other targets canceled if those targets don't consume their orthodoxy.

snicksnak 5y ago
The Alex Jones and Tim Dillon episode is one of the best ones ever, very sad they pulled it, at least it's still on youtube (for now).

mullingitover 5y ago

The problem with notion this is that 'woke' or 'activist' values are actually pretty reflective of mainstream values in 21st century society. I would worry more about the legal exposure of people who express opposition to diversity/equity/inclusiveness, as these are very likely to be the people who would end up behaving inappropriately and getting the company mired in harassment and discrimination suits.

refurb 5y ago
The very fact these value are called “activist” and “woke” means they aren’t mainstream values. And it’s not the values, it’s the disruption. If you had anti-abortion Republicans doing the same would everyone be saying how the company should “tread lightly”.
- mullingitover 5y ago
  The labels 'activist' and 'woke' are generally applied derisively by people people who don't share these values. To the mainstream these traits are generally not even labeled, they're just what we consider common decency in this decade. When my parents were my age it was 'activist' and 'woke' to be in favor of mixed race marriages. Times change. > And it’s not the values, it’s the disruption. People want to feel like they're in a career that aligns with their values, and the more in demand your talent is, the more you're able to make demands of your employers to have them be values-aligned. If employers don't need top shelf talent, they're free to ignore that and be less competitive in the market for talent. However, successful companies usually tend to compete. We're talking about Spotify because they competed for and hired high-grade talent, and that high-grade talent wants their company to be values-aligned.
  - refurb 5y ago
    Thankfully silencing opinions you disagree with isn’t mainstream...yet.
    - mullingitover 5y ago