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Wait, you left off the next sentence, which is very important: > Whether Rogan understood that several dozen shows were being removed — and may still be gettin

Wait, you left off the next sentence, which is very important: > Whether Rogan understood that several dozen shows were being removed — and may still be getting removed — is also unclear. 42 of his shows have been removed. Even out of 1631 shows, that seems like more than a few. For $100 million he may not care, but for general listeners its a little unnerving that Spotify would be doing this. I'm a grown adult, I can decide what I want to listen to - why are they getting in the way? One of the main of appeals of his program is that he's having interesting conversations with interesting people. He's willing to talk to people with wildly different view points. When Spotify's editors start removing shows they don't like, they also remove part of the appeal of the show. If they find so much of the show unpalatable, why did they make the deal in the first place?

ta20210405 6y ago
>I'm a grown adult, I can decide what I want to listen to - why are they getting in the way? Just wait, someone will come around and inform you how deciding what you want to listen to is "whiteness", and you're "white supremacy adjacent" for not supporting the removal of this racist, transphobic hate speech that's violence against BIPOCs and minorities.
- dang 6y ago
  We've banned this account for using HN for ideological flamewar. Would you please not create accounts to do that with? It's off topic, regardless of which ideology you're flaming. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
jonas21 6y ago
It's unclear... to the author of the article who seems not to have actually talked to Joe Rogan or Spotify.
paxys 6y ago
He signed a $100M contract. It's pretty clear that he understood.
alkonaut 6y ago
> I'm a grown adult, I can decide what I want to listen to I'm also a grown adult. I can stop paying money to those that host content with Alex Jones (and indirectly basically pay Alex Jones). Not sure I'm representative or part of a larger group than those that want to pay Spotify to hear Alex Jones. Hard to say. > If they find so much of the show unpalatable, why did they make the deal in the first place? Completely agree. That said, this is 2% of the content. There is some fraction of the content that makes sense to cut out. It could be zero or one episode, or 2% or half of them. But there is a point where the trouble they get into on some level is just larger than the gain. And I think they just played it safe here. Also, when other outlets (Twitter, Youtube, Facebook, whatever) ban something or someone, it becomes even less comfortable to keep them on. So it's pretty understandable I think.
- prepend 6y ago
  > I can stop paying money to those that host content with Alex Jones (and indirectly basically pay Alex Jones) If you won’t use a service that lets you make custom playlists just because they also serve stuff that you don’t like to other people, and others do that, we’re going to only have terrible content. Will you not shop at a bookstore that sells Alex Jones books? Will you not ride on a bus that allows Alex Jones? If people expect this level of micromanagement of content platforms then we’re doomed to only have content so boring that no one complains about it. Shows how protocols are more important than platforms.
  - alkonaut 6y ago
    I think there is a small but important difference when Spotify enters the kind of agreement they did with JRE, effectively becoming his publisher. I see them as more responsible for his content than e.g the lyrics of any song in their catalog. > Will you not shop at a bookstore that sells Alex Jones books? It depends. I’m not going to judge a store by having a large selection of books including things I disagree with. But if the store has a huge display of Jones books on a big table in the center? An Alex Jones book signing is taking place in the store? Yeah I’m probably going elsewhere. The risk here I think is that people like Alex Jones are included in what we call “the political spectrum”. He’s not part of it. Booting him isn’t a political stance. He’s not some voice of right wing politics or even extreme right or “alt right”.
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kjakm 6y ago
I left off the next sentence specifically because it’s pure speculation on the point of the author who seems to have zero inside knowledge.

ta20210405 6y ago

>I'm a grown adult, I can decide what I want to listen to - why are they getting in the way? Just wait, someone will come around and inform you how deciding what you want to listen to is "whiteness", and you're "white supremacy adjacent" for not supporting the removal of this racist, transphobic hate speech that's violence against BIPOCs and minorities.

dang 6y ago
We've banned this account for using HN for ideological flamewar. Would you please not create accounts to do that with? It's off topic, regardless of which ideology you're flaming. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

jonas21 6y ago

It's unclear... to the author of the article who seems not to have actually talked to Joe Rogan or Spotify.

paxys 6y ago

He signed a $100M contract. It's pretty clear that he understood.

alkonaut 6y ago

> I'm a grown adult, I can decide what I want to listen to I'm also a grown adult. I can stop paying money to those that host content with Alex Jones (and indirectly basically pay Alex Jones). Not sure I'm representative or part of a larger group than those that want to pay Spotify to hear Alex Jones. Hard to say. > If they find so much of the show unpalatable, why did they make the deal in the first place? Completely agree. That said, this is 2% of the content. There is some fraction of the content that makes sense to cut out. It could be zero or one episode, or 2% or half of them. But there is a point where the trouble they get into on some level is just larger than the gain. And I think they just played it safe here. Also, when other outlets (Twitter, Youtube, Facebook, whatever) ban something or someone, it becomes even less comfortable to keep them on. So it's pretty understandable I think.

prepend 6y ago
> I can stop paying money to those that host content with Alex Jones (and indirectly basically pay Alex Jones) If you won’t use a service that lets you make custom playlists just because they also serve stuff that you don’t like to other people, and others do that, we’re going to only have terrible content. Will you not shop at a bookstore that sells Alex Jones books? Will you not ride on a bus that allows Alex Jones? If people expect this level of micromanagement of content platforms then we’re doomed to only have content so boring that no one complains about it. Shows how protocols are more important than platforms.
- alkonaut 6y ago
  I think there is a small but important difference when Spotify enters the kind of agreement they did with JRE, effectively becoming his publisher. I see them as more responsible for his content than e.g the lyrics of any song in their catalog. > Will you not shop at a bookstore that sells Alex Jones books? It depends. I’m not going to judge a store by having a large selection of books including things I disagree with. But if the store has a huge display of Jones books on a big table in the center? An Alex Jones book signing is taking place in the store? Yeah I’m probably going elsewhere. The risk here I think is that people like Alex Jones are included in what we call “the political spectrum”. He’s not part of it. Booting him isn’t a political stance. He’s not some voice of right wing politics or even extreme right or “alt right”.

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kjakm 6y ago

I left off the next sentence specifically because it’s pure speculation on the point of the author who seems to have zero inside knowledge.