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Am I the only one here not finding anything nefarious about this? Seems like they didn't know, advised caution, and now they know. If anyone was hysterical abou

Am I the only one here not finding anything nefarious about this? Seems like they didn't know, advised caution, and now they know. If anyone was hysterical about this, I feel like that has more to do with where they got the information.

mapme 6y ago
I wouldn’t say nefarious but just extremely delayed which leads to bad outcomes. This was known for at least the last 6 months and it then let places hide behind this as being safe (we follow cdc guidelines!). Restaurants saying they clean the tables vs. having a hepa air purifier.. buses cleaning seats vs. mandating windows be open etc. etc.
- aeternum 6y ago
  Yes, people have a limited amount of focus so it's very important to focus on the right things. Unnecessary cleaning guidelines really do cause problems. I've seen a huge spike in public-facing device RMAs due to cleaning with improper chemicals. General human exposure is likely up significantly as well. We would all be better off if we focused on airflow and proper air purification.
rsynnott 6y ago
They also had good reason to think it _might_ be a vector, because it _is_ a vector for some other viruses, notably the flu.
nickthemagicman 6y ago
Just makes you wonder what else the government and medical establishment were wrong about in justifying massive extreme restrictions on the population.
- libraryatnight 6y ago
  I feel like you're trying to get at something, out with it if you want to have a conversation about it.
  - nickthemagicman 6y ago
    Not at all. What I said was significant enough. But now that you mention it and now that my post throttle is up you should consider: Govt was wrong about: 1.flattening the curve. Not a single hospital has overflowed, even after places opened up fully and before vaccinations were widespread or places that had virtually no Covid restrictions. 2.surfaces being infectious 3.The infectiousness of the virus. Wheres the hundreds of millions of dead that were predicted? Why did more people die of car accidents in 2019 than under 55 age group corona fatalities(80% of the population)? 4. The effectiveness of masks. 'dont wear them' or 'wear them'? I can take them off while eating but have to wear them while walking 8 feet to the table, what? Fanatically following a government without questioning them has never, in the history of humankind, led to good things. Food for thought my friend.
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > Not a single hospital has overflowed Very many hospitals, and often entire counties and even wider regions, fully exhausted ICU or other key capacities and had to refuse patients. You can probably construct a definition for “overflowed” for which this is true, but not which would have any utility in proving governmemt was wrong. > Wheres the hundreds of millions of dead that were predicted? No one predicted anything like that except as a potential in the absence of any behavioral changes. Even the places like much of the US that has weak, inconsistent, or unenforced “lockdowns” saw some government interventions and signidicant, if sometimes largely non-compelled, behavioral changes. > Why did more people die of car accidents in 2019 than under 55 age group corona fatalities(80% of the population)? Again, because even the places like much of the US that has weak, inconsistent, or unenforced “lockdowns” saw some government interventions and significant, if sometimes largely non-compelled, behavioral changes. > I can take them off while eating but have to wear them while walking 8 feet to the table, what? This is a dumb complaint. Its minimizing avoidable exposure potential. Distancing is more enforceable while seated and eating, but its impossible to wear a mask and eat. Distancing is less enforceable while moving about, but its quite possible to wear a mask.
      - nickthemagicman 6y ago
blub 6y ago
They don't know, they're using models and estimates. The only way to know is to have sick people cough and sneeze on various surfaces and then have healthy people touch those and monitor them.
ohiovr 6y ago
It came in everywhere non stop for a while.

mapme 6y ago

I wouldn’t say nefarious but just extremely delayed which leads to bad outcomes. This was known for at least the last 6 months and it then let places hide behind this as being safe (we follow cdc guidelines!). Restaurants saying they clean the tables vs. having a hepa air purifier.. buses cleaning seats vs. mandating windows be open etc. etc.

aeternum 6y ago
Yes, people have a limited amount of focus so it's very important to focus on the right things. Unnecessary cleaning guidelines really do cause problems. I've seen a huge spike in public-facing device RMAs due to cleaning with improper chemicals. General human exposure is likely up significantly as well. We would all be better off if we focused on airflow and proper air purification.

rsynnott 6y ago

They also had good reason to think it _might_ be a vector, because it _is_ a vector for some other viruses, notably the flu.

nickthemagicman 6y ago

Just makes you wonder what else the government and medical establishment were wrong about in justifying massive extreme restrictions on the population.

libraryatnight 6y ago
I feel like you're trying to get at something, out with it if you want to have a conversation about it.
- nickthemagicman 6y ago
  Not at all. What I said was significant enough. But now that you mention it and now that my post throttle is up you should consider: Govt was wrong about: 1.flattening the curve. Not a single hospital has overflowed, even after places opened up fully and before vaccinations were widespread or places that had virtually no Covid restrictions. 2.surfaces being infectious 3.The infectiousness of the virus. Wheres the hundreds of millions of dead that were predicted? Why did more people die of car accidents in 2019 than under 55 age group corona fatalities(80% of the population)? 4. The effectiveness of masks. 'dont wear them' or 'wear them'? I can take them off while eating but have to wear them while walking 8 feet to the table, what? Fanatically following a government without questioning them has never, in the history of humankind, led to good things. Food for thought my friend.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > Not a single hospital has overflowed Very many hospitals, and often entire counties and even wider regions, fully exhausted ICU or other key capacities and had to refuse patients. You can probably construct a definition for “overflowed” for which this is true, but not which would have any utility in proving governmemt was wrong. > Wheres the hundreds of millions of dead that were predicted? No one predicted anything like that except as a potential in the absence of any behavioral changes. Even the places like much of the US that has weak, inconsistent, or unenforced “lockdowns” saw some government interventions and signidicant, if sometimes largely non-compelled, behavioral changes. > Why did more people die of car accidents in 2019 than under 55 age group corona fatalities(80% of the population)? Again, because even the places like much of the US that has weak, inconsistent, or unenforced “lockdowns” saw some government interventions and significant, if sometimes largely non-compelled, behavioral changes. > I can take them off while eating but have to wear them while walking 8 feet to the table, what? This is a dumb complaint. Its minimizing avoidable exposure potential. Distancing is more enforceable while seated and eating, but its impossible to wear a mask and eat. Distancing is less enforceable while moving about, but its quite possible to wear a mask.
    - nickthemagicman 6y ago

blub 6y ago

They don't know, they're using models and estimates. The only way to know is to have sick people cough and sneeze on various surfaces and then have healthy people touch those and monitor them.

ohiovr 6y ago

It came in everywhere non stop for a while.