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It's interesting that while this often produces stunning results, it usually doesn't lead to pay increases and promotions.

by arpyzo 6y ago

kache_ 6y ago
Doing a good job is important. Pay increases and promotions are obtained through way of leverage, but doing a good job and building a strong reputation pays dividends in the future.
ptudan 6y ago
Yep, learning to optimize for visibility is one of the things every corporate worker should do. It's unfortunate, but the main way to actually see your compensation and respect increase.
PragmaticPulp 6y ago
> it usually doesn't lead to pay increases and promotions Individual companies may or may not reward the grind over the course of a few years. Companies that don't tend to bleed employees. These things do pay off over the course of a career, though. The Grind builds skills, builds reputation, and builds an ability to get work done when it matters. The company may not recognize the value of this, but your peers will. Your peers will form your future network as everyone diffuses into different companies. It's a mistake when someone scales back their own effort and learning simply because they don't expect an immediate monetary reward. We're all building careers and networks over the course of decades. Don't let a lack of pay increases at a single company alter hamper the trajectory of your entire career. And if you find yourself stuck at a company that isn't rewarding these things, move on. Some other company will gladly reward you for the accumulated experience. It only goes to waste if you stay put at companies that don't reciprocate.
- MattGaiser 6y ago
  > Companies that don't tend to bleed employees. Are there any companies that don't bleed employees? Amazon bleeds employees. Google bleeds employees. Every company I have ever worked for bleeds employees. The only organizations I know where people regularly have 10 year stints are government agencies. Everywhere else 2-3 years.

It's interesting that while this often produces stunning results, it usually doesn't lead to pay increases and promotions.

by arpyzo 6y ago

It's interesting that while this often produces stunning results, it usually doesn't lead to pay increases and promotions.

kache_ 6y ago

Doing a good job is important. Pay increases and promotions are obtained through way of leverage, but doing a good job and building a strong reputation pays dividends in the future.

ptudan 6y ago

Yep, learning to optimize for visibility is one of the things every corporate worker should do. It's unfortunate, but the main way to actually see your compensation and respect increase.

PragmaticPulp 6y ago

> it usually doesn't lead to pay increases and promotions Individual companies may or may not reward the grind over the course of a few years. Companies that don't tend to bleed employees. These things do pay off over the course of a career, though. The Grind builds skills, builds reputation, and builds an ability to get work done when it matters. The company may not recognize the value of this, but your peers will. Your peers will form your future network as everyone diffuses into different companies. It's a mistake when someone scales back their own effort and learning simply because they don't expect an immediate monetary reward. We're all building careers and networks over the course of decades. Don't let a lack of pay increases at a single company alter hamper the trajectory of your entire career. And if you find yourself stuck at a company that isn't rewarding these things, move on. Some other company will gladly reward you for the accumulated experience. It only goes to waste if you stay put at companies that don't reciprocate.

MattGaiser 6y ago
> Companies that don't tend to bleed employees. Are there any companies that don't bleed employees? Amazon bleeds employees. Google bleeds employees. Every company I have ever worked for bleeds employees. The only organizations I know where people regularly have 10 year stints are government agencies. Everywhere else 2-3 years.