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I find it personally a bit hilarious - Wayland has been Going To Be Great Soon for over a decade. I've never even had a reason to want to run it. But I'm sure

by _jal 6y ago

I find it personally a bit hilarious - Wayland has been Going To Be Great Soon for over a decade. I've never even had a reason to want to run it. But I'm sure it'll be great, any day now.

toun 6y ago
I find Wayland is great already for my usage, and has been for the last two years. If Xorg works for you and Wayland doesn't, that's perfectly fine too.
- _jal 6y ago
  Don't get me wrong - I would love to not deal with certain X warts. (I see substantially fewer warts than other people do, but that's just me.) It just seems Wayland's combination of technical requirements and political entanglements make it a sort of Zeno's Project, doomed to asymptotically approach peoples' expectations and desires, but never reach them.
coldtea 6y ago
>I find it personally a bit hilarious - Wayland has been Going To Be Great Soon for over a decade. So? The same has been the case for desktop Linux in general, for 2 decades.
- throw0101a 6y ago
  > So? The same has been the case for desktop Linux in general, for 2 decades. Some of us have been running Linux desktops for over two decades. Nothing more fun than setting Modelines manually for your VESA card: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFree86_Modeline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFree86_Modeline
- edoceo 6y ago
  My Gentoo/Xfce multiple monitors with Nvidia has been great for at least 10 years. Linux Desktop is Great. Wayland is still in the process of becoming great (I think it's making good progress too)
- de_Selby 6y ago
  Linux desktop has been perfectly fine for at least 1.5 of those decades.
- michaelmrose 6y ago
  Desktop linux actually worked pretty well in 2003 for my purposes. I started on Fedora Core 1. I burned a dvd hit the magic key to select a boot target booted it up told the installer what time zone I was in and what disks it could use and such details and rebooted after a while. Wine sucked and there was less software existed but it was perfectly possible to do the normal tasks one did with a computer.
  - hedora 6y ago
    Back on my IBM 386/75MHz (yes, really), linux could only boot at 25MHz, yet its desktop environment was faster, prettier and more featureful than Windows @75MHz Edit: I guess it was a 486 in a 386 motherboard. Windows was definitely slower at 75MHz than Linux at 25MHz though: http://ps-2.kev009.com/sandy55/Interposer/386_upgrade.html#REV%20to%20486%20%20(%20for%20386%20SX http://ps-2.kev009.com/sandy55/Interposer/386_upgrade.html#R...
KeyBoardG 6y ago
From what I gather its a chicken and egg issue. Wayland would get more attention and development if it had more users. It would have more users if it had more feature development. Although a lot of the bigger gaps are closed or closing now. OBS now works on Wayland as of 03/30/2021 and Fedora plans to ship Wayland as the default.
- Conan_Kudo 6y ago
  Fedora Workstation (i.e. GNOME) has already been shipping with Wayland by default. What's new is that Fedora KDE is also going to ship with Wayland by default. Reference: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPlasma https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPl...
kaba0 6y ago
Maybe actually trying it and adding something to the discussion would be better?

by _jal 6y ago

I find it personally a bit hilarious - Wayland has been Going To Be Great Soon for over a decade. I've never even had a reason to want to run it. But I'm sure it'll be great, any day now.

toun 6y ago

I find Wayland is great already for my usage, and has been for the last two years. If Xorg works for you and Wayland doesn't, that's perfectly fine too.

_jal 6y ago
Don't get me wrong - I would love to not deal with certain X warts. (I see substantially fewer warts than other people do, but that's just me.) It just seems Wayland's combination of technical requirements and political entanglements make it a sort of Zeno's Project, doomed to asymptotically approach peoples' expectations and desires, but never reach them.

coldtea 6y ago

>I find it personally a bit hilarious - Wayland has been Going To Be Great Soon for over a decade. So? The same has been the case for desktop Linux in general, for 2 decades.

throw0101a 6y ago
> So? The same has been the case for desktop Linux in general, for 2 decades. Some of us have been running Linux desktops for over two decades. Nothing more fun than setting Modelines manually for your VESA card: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFree86_Modeline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFree86_Modeline
edoceo 6y ago
My Gentoo/Xfce multiple monitors with Nvidia has been great for at least 10 years. Linux Desktop is Great. Wayland is still in the process of becoming great (I think it's making good progress too)
de_Selby 6y ago
Linux desktop has been perfectly fine for at least 1.5 of those decades.
michaelmrose 6y ago
Desktop linux actually worked pretty well in 2003 for my purposes. I started on Fedora Core 1. I burned a dvd hit the magic key to select a boot target booted it up told the installer what time zone I was in and what disks it could use and such details and rebooted after a while. Wine sucked and there was less software existed but it was perfectly possible to do the normal tasks one did with a computer.
- hedora 6y ago
  Back on my IBM 386/75MHz (yes, really), linux could only boot at 25MHz, yet its desktop environment was faster, prettier and more featureful than Windows @75MHz Edit: I guess it was a 486 in a 386 motherboard. Windows was definitely slower at 75MHz than Linux at 25MHz though: http://ps-2.kev009.com/sandy55/Interposer/386_upgrade.html#REV%20to%20486%20%20(%20for%20386%20SX http://ps-2.kev009.com/sandy55/Interposer/386_upgrade.html#R...

KeyBoardG 6y ago

From what I gather its a chicken and egg issue. Wayland would get more attention and development if it had more users. It would have more users if it had more feature development. Although a lot of the bigger gaps are closed or closing now. OBS now works on Wayland as of 03/30/2021 and Fedora plans to ship Wayland as the default.

Conan_Kudo 6y ago
Fedora Workstation (i.e. GNOME) has already been shipping with Wayland by default. What's new is that Fedora KDE is also going to ship with Wayland by default. Reference: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPlasma https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPl...

kaba0 6y ago

Maybe actually trying it and adding something to the discussion would be better?