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> America's "Rust Belt" cities all tend to have one thing in common Not anti union, but these also had high union activity, which some explain as a cause of th
by cat199 6y ago
> America's "Rust Belt" cities all tend to have one thing in common
Not anti union, but these also had high union activity, which some explain as a cause of their 'rustification' as companies moved production elsewhere (like Alabama) to avoid.
- jandrese 6y agoNot even Alabama but overseas where not only is there no union, but companies can get away with paying starvation wages to effective slaves. How an American is going to compete with a guy willing to work for $0.50/day on an 18 hour shift 7 days a week is a mystery. He doesn't even ask for healthcare, and when he dies of exhaustion there are hundreds more waiting to take his place because that's a huge amount of money for them. One of the few things I think Trump got right is when he brought tariffs back. If you want companies to keep jobs in the US you have to make the labor cost just as much no matter where you find it. Otherwise it is just a race to the bottom.
- astrange 6y ago> How an American is going to compete with a guy willing to work for $0.50/day on an 18 hour shift 7 days a week is a mystery. He doesn't even ask for healthcare, and when he dies of exhaustion there are hundreds more waiting to take his place because that's a huge amount of money for them. Well, that guy would do a really bad job, especially after he dies. You can compete with him by staying healthy and being much more productive. That's not an accurate description of overseas labor though, those people are skilled at what they do and their PPP-adjusted pay is better than that. (Sometimes overseas developers aren't skilled at enterprise development, in that case their skill is scamming the outsourcing manager.) > One of the few things I think Trump got right is when he brought tariffs back. If you want companies to keep jobs in the US you have to make the labor cost just as much no matter where you find it. That's not what a tariff does, a tariff makes foreign companies' products more expensive for domestic customers. It's just a pointless tax increase. And when the other country fights back it makes your products more expensive for foreign customers, hurting you. Keeping jobs domestically means doing the opposite, increasing foreign customers for your stuff. This falls under industrial policy and it's what the overseas countries taking your jobs did better than us.
- emodendroket 6y agoI mean it depends on the job... you are not going to outcompete textile workers in South or Southeast Asia.
- emodendroket 6y agoThe thing about Trump's tariffs is the rhetoric didn't match the way it was actually used (to the extent there was a strategy at all, it seemed like moving production from China to other low-wage countries was a bigger priority than protecting pay and working conditions in the US).
- Lammy 6y agoYes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Negro_Labor_Council https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Negro_Labor_Council https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Negro_Labor_Congress https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Negro_Labor_Congress https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Revolutionary_Black_Workers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Revolutionary_Black_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Revolutionary_Union_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Revolutionary_Union_Move... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_of_Black_Trade_Unionists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_of_Black_Trade_Union... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Brotherhood_of_Workers_of_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Brotherhood_of_Worker... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brotherhood_of_Sleeping_Car_Porters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brotherhood_of_Sleeping_Car_Po... (See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railroad_Commission_v._Pullman_Co https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railroad_Commission_v._Pullman.... ) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Association_of_Railway_Employees https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Association_of_R... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro_Actors_Guild_of_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro_Actors_Guild_of_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro_Labor_Committee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro_Labor_Committee
- mensetmanusman 6y agoHN should reformat wiki links to jump straight to the page title, since these long lists render identically before you open the thread.
- cat199 6y agoNot sure what point you are making here. Most of these seem to be segregated unions for AA people that existed in the same places as the corresponding non-AA union run by the same overarching organization (e.g. AFL-CIO, etc).