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I dread the day when I will be forced to switch since there is nothing like EXWM for Wayland and it's hard to see how such a thing could be implemented. I don'

by donio 6y ago

I dread the day when I will be forced to switch since there is nothing like EXWM for Wayland and it's hard to see how such a thing could be implemented. I don't care for "smooth" or "every pixel is perfect" so to me the trade-offs are all negative.

eikenberry 6y ago
There are more traditional window manager type compositor, you might be able to find something more to your tastes in this list... https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots/wiki/Projects-which-use-wlroots https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots/wiki/Projects-which-use-wl... As a happy Openbox user, I'm planning on trying Waybox first I think. Waiting for the next Debian release though.
- donio 6y ago
  EXWM does some special stuff though. It maps X11 windows in a way that they appear to be Emacs buffers and are managed as such. It also optionally captures certain input from them so that Emacs sequences (for example stuff prefixed by C-x) still work as usual. All this is done in a very granular way to maintain the illusion. So for example if I hit "b" after "C-x" or while the Emacs minibuffer is active then it goes to Emacs but otherwise it goes to the application. And generally it works very well, I've been using it for many years. To do this in Wayland I imagine we'd need to have Emacs act as the compositor and that sounds a bit too crazy... Or perhaps some kind of a proxy-compositor could be used that could be fully driven by Emacs using an rpc protocol. Is there such a thing out there?
  - kaba0 6y ago
    Sway is based on wlroots, which basically implements everything needed for a compositor, making creating “only a wm” similarly easy as it was under X. So I’m sure it can be done.
  - herewulf 6y ago
    The proxy-compositor over RPC sounds workable. This is how the Nyxt browser[1] interfaces its Common Lisp runtime with WebKit. [1]: https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/article/technical-design.org https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/article/technical-design.org

by donio 6y ago

eikenberry 6y ago

There are more traditional window manager type compositor, you might be able to find something more to your tastes in this list... https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots/wiki/Projects-which-use-wlroots https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots/wiki/Projects-which-use-wl... As a happy Openbox user, I'm planning on trying Waybox first I think. Waiting for the next Debian release though.

donio 6y ago
EXWM does some special stuff though. It maps X11 windows in a way that they appear to be Emacs buffers and are managed as such. It also optionally captures certain input from them so that Emacs sequences (for example stuff prefixed by C-x) still work as usual. All this is done in a very granular way to maintain the illusion. So for example if I hit "b" after "C-x" or while the Emacs minibuffer is active then it goes to Emacs but otherwise it goes to the application. And generally it works very well, I've been using it for many years. To do this in Wayland I imagine we'd need to have Emacs act as the compositor and that sounds a bit too crazy... Or perhaps some kind of a proxy-compositor could be used that could be fully driven by Emacs using an rpc protocol. Is there such a thing out there?
- kaba0 6y ago
  Sway is based on wlroots, which basically implements everything needed for a compositor, making creating “only a wm” similarly easy as it was under X. So I’m sure it can be done.
- herewulf 6y ago
  The proxy-compositor over RPC sounds workable. This is how the Nyxt browser[1] interfaces its Common Lisp runtime with WebKit. [1]: https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/article/technical-design.org https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/article/technical-design.org