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In Europe free healthcare is guaranteed even if you lose your job, and there are essentially no limitations (if you need an expensive treatment, you get it, no

by panta 6y ago

In Europe free healthcare is guaranteed even if you lose your job, and there are essentially no limitations (if you need an expensive treatment, you get it, no matter what).

avereveard 6y ago
> even if Bullshit. In Italy only the lowest income brackets get free healthcare, everyone else has various degree of copay. And even then you get terrible services, with queues several months long for exams and quality far inferior from what you get going trough the private sector. And when I worked and lived in Dublin, same story, I had to pay 270€ for using emergency services at a public hospital and was lucky to have them covered by the private insurance my employer provided.
- panta 6y ago
  In Italy copay is very limited, almost symbolic, even for those in the highest income brackets. As you point out wait times can be (very) long for exams (at least when there is no indication of urgency), but for serious/complex procedures the quality is way higher in the public sector than in the private one.
  - avereveard 6y ago
    Bullshit. Plenty procedures aren't even covered, as soon as you're slightly out of the commonest procedures and you want some quality healthcare you're going to pay, and part yourself from thousands euros. Proper dental procedures, substitutive hormone therapy, plenty rate stuff require specialists or medicines that mutua doesn't pass. heck if you have a condition that require a specialist during pregnancy you're going to have to pay everything out of your money to avoid the random ginecologist rotation, to the tune of 120€+/visit, and you're going to need ten or more if any complication arises. This is the typical uninformed comment from some ableist that never actually had to suffer from the Italian healthcare beyond the most basic services.
isbvhodnvemrwvn 6y ago
That's a very general statement which is false in some countries (e.g. in Poland unless you are a child or elderly and are unemployed, you are going to pay out of your own pocket)
- KptMarchewa 6y ago
  >lose your job >are unemployed Well, yes?
  - isbvhodnvemrwvn 6y ago
    If you're unemployed you are not covered by health insurance.
    - KptMarchewa 6y ago
      You are. https://www.infor.pl/prawo/bezrobotny/status-bezrobotnego/279592,Ubezpieczenie-zdrowotne-bezrobotnego.html https://www.infor.pl/prawo/bezrobotny/status-bezrobotnego/27...
ekianjo 6y ago
> In Europe free healthcare is guaranteed Utterly false as a general rule, and free is not as glamorous as you make it sound like. Some doctors will refuse to see patients who are on the free healthcare system, too. > if you need an expensive treatment Yeah, if you can wait for it. Ever heard of surgery that sometimes take a year to reserve? Well that's the standard in Europe for certain conditions.

by panta 6y ago

In Europe free healthcare is guaranteed even if you lose your job, and there are essentially no limitations (if you need an expensive treatment, you get it, no matter what).

avereveard 6y ago

> even if Bullshit. In Italy only the lowest income brackets get free healthcare, everyone else has various degree of copay. And even then you get terrible services, with queues several months long for exams and quality far inferior from what you get going trough the private sector. And when I worked and lived in Dublin, same story, I had to pay 270€ for using emergency services at a public hospital and was lucky to have them covered by the private insurance my employer provided.

panta 6y ago
In Italy copay is very limited, almost symbolic, even for those in the highest income brackets. As you point out wait times can be (very) long for exams (at least when there is no indication of urgency), but for serious/complex procedures the quality is way higher in the public sector than in the private one.
- avereveard 6y ago
  Bullshit. Plenty procedures aren't even covered, as soon as you're slightly out of the commonest procedures and you want some quality healthcare you're going to pay, and part yourself from thousands euros. Proper dental procedures, substitutive hormone therapy, plenty rate stuff require specialists or medicines that mutua doesn't pass. heck if you have a condition that require a specialist during pregnancy you're going to have to pay everything out of your money to avoid the random ginecologist rotation, to the tune of 120€+/visit, and you're going to need ten or more if any complication arises. This is the typical uninformed comment from some ableist that never actually had to suffer from the Italian healthcare beyond the most basic services.

isbvhodnvemrwvn 6y ago

That's a very general statement which is false in some countries (e.g. in Poland unless you are a child or elderly and are unemployed, you are going to pay out of your own pocket)

KptMarchewa 6y ago
>lose your job >are unemployed Well, yes?
- isbvhodnvemrwvn 6y ago
  If you're unemployed you are not covered by health insurance.
  - KptMarchewa 6y ago
    You are. https://www.infor.pl/prawo/bezrobotny/status-bezrobotnego/279592,Ubezpieczenie-zdrowotne-bezrobotnego.html https://www.infor.pl/prawo/bezrobotny/status-bezrobotnego/27...

ekianjo 6y ago

> In Europe free healthcare is guaranteed Utterly false as a general rule, and free is not as glamorous as you make it sound like. Some doctors will refuse to see patients who are on the free healthcare system, too. > if you need an expensive treatment Yeah, if you can wait for it. Ever heard of surgery that sometimes take a year to reserve? Well that's the standard in Europe for certain conditions.