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This reminds me of -- - Networks of "safe spaces" marked by rainbow flags or triangle icons. - The vision of WeWork, before it imploded. - White-nationalist
by FooBarBizBazz 6y ago
This reminds me of --
- Networks of "safe spaces" marked by rainbow flags or triangle icons.
- The vision of WeWork, before it imploded.
- White-nationalist and right-libertarian groups who invest in militias and firearms.
- Black separatist movements, like the (peaceful) one happening in Freedom, Georgia: https://thefreedomgeorgiainitiative.com/ https://thefreedomgeorgiainitiative.com/
- CHAZ and other "autonomous zones".
- British Zionism before the existence of Israel.
- Other nationalist movements, like Irish Republicanism. See also the IRA.
- Charter Cities: https://www.chartercitiesinstitute.org/ https://www.chartercitiesinstitute.org/
- The creation of new subreddits. Opaque and off-putting vocabulary, like WSB's.
- The Amish system of communal aid and health care.
- American utopian communities, like the Oneida community.
- The Islamic State, and its publication Dabiq.
- 70s-90s subcultures, e.g. hippies and punks.
- The Mormon Church.
A number of properties seem useful:
- Barriers to entry. E.g. a language (resurrect a dead one, like Gaelic or Hebrew, as done by previous nationalist movements? Or Arabic, as was encouraged by Dabiq? I see possibilities for indigenous languages (e.g. there is a fringe neo-Aztec movement), for Latin, for Sanskrit, and for a reverse-engineered PIE).
- A coordinating media apparatus (again, Dabiq is a good example).
- Risk-pooling with defenses against free-riding (see the Amish).
- Significant exclusive advantages to members. (The Roman system of earned citizenship is one example.)
- A strong reproductive capacity, whether purely memetic (LGBTQ movement), or biological. In the latter case it's vital that the ideology minimize within-group gender conflict (ideally without domination), and assist productive heterosexual union. Consider the symbol of the upturned triangle (male) and downturned triangle (female) interpenetrating to form a union with new symmetries; in some cultures this is the "Star of David", but it is also known outside those cultures. This might be achieved through separate (but interacting) male and female aspects of the culture, instead of through a completely unisex culture. It needs to achieve r > 2.1 or it's dead in the water.
- Mechanisms of self-defense, ranging from passive denial of benefits (blacklisting), to coordinated harassment (Twitter), to limited and mostly symbolic violence (parades, protests, street riots), to real organized violence (militias). It's a good sign if people are afraid to criticize symbols of your tribe (see Charlie Hebdo). Though insularity, stealth, and non-aggression -- a purely defensive strategy -- might get you reasonably far if you can quietly obtain resources.
- A moral narrative about the inherent goodness and righteousness of your people and your cause. The weakest would be a pluralistic "we have a right to exist too"; the strongest is "we are morally superior" -- whether because you are the "Master Race", or "chosen by God", or those most downtrodden and deserving of justice, or those with the best principle ("liberty"). But the first step of war is always demoralization of the enemy, so you can't neglect this. Fake corporate values don't work. Cynically, the moral case has to be a stealth restatement of the interests of the group members.
- An immune system capable of dealing with agent provocateurs, whether by embracing them ("Nothing is too radical!"), or by ejecting those who violate some more nuanced concept of "good".
- A founding myth. Ideally a true one.
- Heroes.
- cjflog 6y agoBalaji recently said he was in favor of reducing military capacity. Whether that's a good idea or not, it shows that his preference with a cloud country is a non-violent one. One interesting aspect of a cloud country, or networked state, is that it would be distributed/decentralized. In theory it would be hard to attack in the real world as there may not be traditional borders at all. If if distributed globally it's certainly resistant to nuclear type attacks. A country with a capital "in the cloud" has a digital defensive structure similar to the Củ Chi tunnels from the Vietnam war.
- FooBarBizBazz 6y agoOh, certainly, I am sure Balaji would eschew violence; he wouldn't even bring up the topic. And violence would go against the core nonaggression principle of libertarianism. However, if his "county" is successful, it will need some ability to deter aggression, or it will need to declare fealty to one or more stronger forces. The Internet is also pretty centralized these days. Get a few CDNs and cloud service providers on-side and you can shut things down, unless it's extremely P2P from the beginning (and even then, that's a cat and mouse game that e.g. filesharing P2P has lost).
- DorianSinDeep 6y agoTo agree with your reproduction points, I'd bring to attention the Lesbian-only women communes started during the height of the feminist movement that are now dying out with hardly anyone to continue the ideology.
- FooBarBizBazz 6y agoI wasn't aware of those communes. If you have specific examples I'd be curious. Personally I was thinking of the 19th century Shaker movement, which included both women and men, practiced celibacy, and died out.