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I respectfully disagree. $600 USD per worker, per year is a massive expense for a small to medium firm, and those rates will only rise in the future. In my coun
by OscarTheGrinch 5y ago
I respectfully disagree. $600 USD per worker, per year is a massive expense for a small to medium firm, and those rates will only rise in the future. In my country at today’s exchange it's more like $830 per user per year! I much preferred the model of paying once and owning a copy of the software.
Sure you get updates now, Adobe was very bad at even basic patching before the CC era, they offer features that no one I know is requesting. It's like a fishmonger backing up the van and dumping a bunch of fish you don't need then billing you every month.
So bring on the competitors. I'm a big fan of Sketch on the Mac.
- rmah 5y agoMassive? Oh come on, $600 is the cost of a moderately expensive chair.
- KaiserPro 5y agoChairs are not replaced every year, plus that capital expenditure, not opex. For a design house, licensing is not an insignificant cost of business. Its justifiable because thats the fastest tool for their workforce. for a small company without a design team, it probably makes sense to just use the cheap/free stuff and style it out.
- andreilys 5y agoOr you can pay a one time $99 fee for Sketch which in most cases has all you need. I took that route and haven’t missed Adobe at all.
- wongarsu 5y agoA chair lasts 10-15 years, so it's more like $40-60/year. $600/year chairs are pretty much the best chairs you can buy for money.
- OscarTheGrinch 5y agoA chair will last many years, lets say 5, so amortised we are talking about a $830 x 5 = $4150 chair for every user. That's massive in my book. Subscription software is a scam.
- bluefirebrand 5y agoGo try and get your employer to buy you a new chair. In most places, that is like pulling teeth
- ipaddr 5y agoI managed to get a new chair once. It took an ergonomics expert visit. Everyone was filled with envy from vp's down the line. In the end management pushed me into full time remote so they could take the chair. And it wasn't even $600.00
- bluefirebrand 5y agoIt is frankly amazing to much how much office politics wind up revolving around chairs in some places.
- maxerickson 5y agoI was pretty specific about what I said. In the US it's $15 dollars a week for the software and $1000+ a week for the user. It's not a big cost if the software provides that individual with much value. Sure, they are clearly ceding a chunk of the market to other companies. I don't think it's obvious that this is a bad business decision...
- TrevorJ 5y agoRelative to buying software outright, yes, it's a big cost. Any it's also annoying. You don't own the software, which ends up effecting you negatively in a myriad of small ways.
- OscarTheGrinch 5y agoYes, not to mention the inevitable downtime when some cloud service can't authenticate. Not an improvement on working with local software.
- sgerenser 5y agoI think Adobe at least gives you a 30 day grace period of no internet access.
- dylan604 5y agoThis argument is always brought out like a standard bearer. Adobe software was NEVER a buy it once, own it for life. Sure, that particular version, maybe. But nobody stays on that version forever. Pre-subscription days to CS bundles, the bundles were $1200-$1500USD. They would release a new version of software each year, and they would charge $600USD for the upgrade. So, your $1200 in, plus an annual $600 in upgrades. Pre CS bundles, it was $800 for Photoshop alone. Premiere was even more.
- wdb 5y agoYes, but you could skip a version easily in the old days!
- mc32 5y agoIf the moderately paid person is inefficient or unproductive because they don’t have a $600 piece of software, management is egregiously misguided about where to spend money. I mean if an add’l $600 spent on a position or role is the balance between being profitable and bankruptcy then something is seriously wrong in that company. Sure they can have the user use a $0 piece of SW, but if it’s costing more than $50 a month in productivity via frustration, unfamiliarity or shortcoming (90% of the value at $0), Thats misuse of that person’s talent and detrimental to the success of the company.
- ipaddr 5y agoIf $600.00 a year is peanuts to your company I would invite them to send me $600 dollars a year. It is not like $600 dollars is going to bankrupt your company. Their would be something seriously wrong if your company couldn't send me the money.
- cglace 5y agoI have a hard time seeing how sending you $600 has anything to do with the productivity of a tool. Most people design PCBs using Altium which is $10,000 per license. Are you saying companies should send you 10k because they could use Eagle instead?
- sokoloff 5y agoI wonder the number of PCBs designed with Altium ($$$$), Eagle ($$), and KiCAD ($0).
- ipaddr 5y ago$600 is a budget item that will be available next year to spend. If you never expense me you will never create the budget room for when you really need it. If the size of your company allows for $10,000 software purchases I would expense me for 2 copies. Next year you can use that budget for post covid grow.
- mc32 5y agoIt depends on that $600’s ROI. Are you going to make it worth it, the user productive or contribute to the goals of the company?
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- 908B64B197 5y agoMaybe get a locally-priced alternative?