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I read the whole article and still don't know what they discovered. Highly abused and unlikely to profitable or legit search terms are banned...? What was the d

by bigth 5y ago

I read the whole article and still don't know what they discovered. Highly abused and unlikely to profitable or legit search terms are banned...? What was the discovery?

falcolas 5y ago
“Black Lives Matter” is blocked, “All Lives Matter” is not. That’s one thing I took from this. I also took that their implementation of such keywords are poorly implemented - a token implementation at best.
- noxer 5y ago
  So the one that excludes several races and is the name of an extremist organization is blocked and the other not surprised pikachu
MereInterest 5y ago
The asymmetry is the bigger part. Advertising allows for community growth by pointing to more resources and I formation. Essentially, "If you support X, here is a group working on the topic of X.". When this is allowed for X="white power" but forbidden for X="black lives matter", that's a huge disparity. That means ads cannot be used to recruit against police violence, but can be used to recruit for white supremacy.
- CivBase 5y ago
  It's very easy to make a list like this look asymmetrical when your article cherry picks the most outrage-inducing results from your test and disregards any results that don't fit your narrative.
  - danso 5y ago
    The story links to a Github repo [0] with code, input data, and several notebooks, as well as a lengthy methodology [1]. [0] https://github.com/the-markup/investigation-youtube-ad-placements https://github.com/the-markup/investigation-youtube-ad-place... [1] https://themarkup.org/google-the-giant/2021/04/08/how-we-discovered-googles-hate-blocklist-for-ad-placements-on-youtube https://themarkup.org/google-the-giant/2021/04/08/how-we-dis...
    - CivBase 5y ago
      But they don't give background for how they chose the terms they used as inputs. They just hand-wave through that part of the methodology. All you have to do is cherry pick the inputs and keep re-running until you have the desired output. Garbage in, garbage out. > 58 well-known hate terms and phrases Funny enough, I didn't recognize many of those "well-known" terms and every single one of them ended up being white supremacist. On top of that, 58 is a pathetically small dataset to draw conclusions from. You'll need far more than that to credibly demonstrate a bias. I can probably come up with that many racial slurs off the top of my head and I bet you anything the overwhelming majority of them will be blacklisted.
      - MereInterest 5y ago
        Their github repo has a link to further description on each hate term. Some are hate groups. Some are deliberate misinformation about marginalized groups. Some are phrases instead to sound non-offensive to a general audience, while edging racist ideas into the mainstream. Also, hate groups tend to cycle through new terminology whenever the previous batch becomes easily recognized by a general audience. https://github.com/the-markup/investigation-youtube-ad-placements/blob/master/data/input/hate_terms_background_info.csv https://github.com/the-markup/investigation-youtube-ad-place...
        CivBase 5y ago
        Describing what makes a term hateful is not the same as explaining how it got on the list. There are plenty of better known hate terms which are conspicuous by their absence. Naturally, the more obscure the term the less likely it is to be caught by the blacklist.
        suifbwish 5y ago
        How is it 2021 and no one questions this BS? IMO any group that focuses on affirming the identity of fictional races, IS a hate group. A racially themed group pushing its own propaganda can never not be a hate group. We have the human species and just variations in hair, skin and eye color. Can’t we get past that simple concept?

by bigth 5y ago

I read the whole article and still don't know what they discovered. Highly abused and unlikely to profitable or legit search terms are banned...? What was the discovery?

falcolas 5y ago

“Black Lives Matter” is blocked, “All Lives Matter” is not. That’s one thing I took from this. I also took that their implementation of such keywords are poorly implemented - a token implementation at best.

noxer 5y ago
So the one that excludes several races and is the name of an extremist organization is blocked and the other not surprised pikachu

MereInterest 5y ago

The asymmetry is the bigger part. Advertising allows for community growth by pointing to more resources and I formation. Essentially, "If you support X, here is a group working on the topic of X.". When this is allowed for X="white power" but forbidden for X="black lives matter", that's a huge disparity. That means ads cannot be used to recruit against police violence, but can be used to recruit for white supremacy.

CivBase 5y ago
It's very easy to make a list like this look asymmetrical when your article cherry picks the most outrage-inducing results from your test and disregards any results that don't fit your narrative.
- danso 5y ago
  The story links to a Github repo [0] with code, input data, and several notebooks, as well as a lengthy methodology [1]. [0] https://github.com/the-markup/investigation-youtube-ad-placements https://github.com/the-markup/investigation-youtube-ad-place... [1] https://themarkup.org/google-the-giant/2021/04/08/how-we-discovered-googles-hate-blocklist-for-ad-placements-on-youtube https://themarkup.org/google-the-giant/2021/04/08/how-we-dis...
  - CivBase 5y ago
    But they don't give background for how they chose the terms they used as inputs. They just hand-wave through that part of the methodology. All you have to do is cherry pick the inputs and keep re-running until you have the desired output. Garbage in, garbage out. > 58 well-known hate terms and phrases Funny enough, I didn't recognize many of those "well-known" terms and every single one of them ended up being white supremacist. On top of that, 58 is a pathetically small dataset to draw conclusions from. You'll need far more than that to credibly demonstrate a bias. I can probably come up with that many racial slurs off the top of my head and I bet you anything the overwhelming majority of them will be blacklisted.
    - MereInterest 5y ago
      Their github repo has a link to further description on each hate term. Some are hate groups. Some are deliberate misinformation about marginalized groups. Some are phrases instead to sound non-offensive to a general audience, while edging racist ideas into the mainstream. Also, hate groups tend to cycle through new terminology whenever the previous batch becomes easily recognized by a general audience. https://github.com/the-markup/investigation-youtube-ad-placements/blob/master/data/input/hate_terms_background_info.csv https://github.com/the-markup/investigation-youtube-ad-place...
      - CivBase 5y ago
        Describing what makes a term hateful is not the same as explaining how it got on the list. There are plenty of better known hate terms which are conspicuous by their absence. Naturally, the more obscure the term the less likely it is to be caught by the blacklist.
      - suifbwish 5y ago
        How is it 2021 and no one questions this BS? IMO any group that focuses on affirming the identity of fictional races, IS a hate group. A racially themed group pushing its own propaganda can never not be a hate group. We have the human species and just variations in hair, skin and eye color. Can’t we get past that simple concept?