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You can force it to use a web app by declining permission to run locally. The web-app has fewer capabilities (no gallery view, last I used it), but works great

by ISL 6y ago

You can force it to use a web app by declining permission to run locally. The web-app has fewer capabilities (no gallery view, last I used it), but works great. Also, Meet is fully-featured and runs entirely in-browser.

tweetle_beetle 6y ago
I've wondered whether things like the gallery view limitation were actual technical hurdles, or just the modern equivalent of nagware to boost the app download metrics.
- ISL 6y ago
  At the start of the pandemic, the web client had gallery view.
Asraelite 6y ago
Is the lack of a gallery view a genuine technical constraint, or an artificial one introduced to get users to use the plugin?
- Steltek 6y ago
  False dichotomy. There's a (likely) third option where they do not have sufficient engineering effort to do everything at once. Most users are on the app so that's where effort is applied. Yes, this means the webapp loses even more market share but thems the breaks.
  - dhosek 6y ago
    Given that Facebook removed functionality from the mobile web view that was present in earlier versions and is still there in the desktop view (messages, cough), I think that it's a very fair question to raise about Zoom's choice to not allow gallery view in the web app.
    - Steltek 6y ago
      Putting aside that Zoom is not Facebook, "Zoom's choice to not allow gallery view" sounds very much like, "How long have you been beating your wife?" Zoom has not implemented gallery view. We know nothing about the whys, hows, and whats of the matter. Look, I prefer webapps when possible and keep mobile apps to a very minimum on my mobile (and preferably from F-Droid, at that). But I also understand that you can only do so much in a release and if your engineering team expertise, backlog, users, sales, EVERYTHING, is centered around native apps. Then damn it, you're going to make your native app look stellar because otherwise your competitors will get a leg up over you.
    - dreamcompiler 6y ago
      I can still get FB Messages in the mobile web view by telling my browser to use Desktop view and ensuring the URL starts with "www" rather than "m." It's painful but it works. I deleted the FB app from my phone years ago (with difficulty because Samsung makes it undeletable by non-hackers) because the app gives FB far too much info about me.
jacquesm 6y ago
Yes, but they keep pushing the binary anyway.
mark4o 6y ago
On macOS my experience with Zoom in the browser is that the gallery mode works in Chrome, however in Chrome it has problems with the camera (it reports that the camera is in use, or will hog the cpu and work at about 1 frame per second). On Firefox the camera works fine, but there is no gallery mode. On Safari the gallery mode and camera both work, but audio does not work! So I need to choose whether to do without video, audio, or gallery mode, or I can connect to the meeting twice with two different browsers.
kiwijamo 6y ago
Meet performs quite poorly with large number of participants (the tipping point being around 10 or so for me) in a meeting. I tried various browsers and found Chrome to be the worst performer and surprisely Firefox was somewhat better but still needed a refresh every now and then. Macos on a 2017 MacBook. This is one of many reasons keeping my $employer on Zoom. We just haven't found a decent video conferencing software that manages 25+ videos flawlessly. I know of colleagues using Teams successfully but many people we meet with outside our organisation expects Zoom nowdays. I suspect any alternative will have to be very good to take over Zoom as the preferred platform. That has yet to appear.
- sigmaml 6y ago
  Evidently, it depends on multiple factors. My son's school uses Google Meet for online classes. 2 instructors + 36 students per section. All participants have their videos switched on. Even when the bandwidth fluctuates, we haven't noticed issues. In particular, Meet degrades well: audio continues to be high quality, with video becoming grainy or getting suspended. But, that is pretty rare. And, slide shows are never a problem.
  - kiwijamo 6y ago
    Ah that is interesting. I work for a school for Deaf learners who use sign language. We rely on having good quality video so we can see each other. Your description of video degradion matches my observation. Unfortunately this is not suitable for our use case. Zoom maintains high quality video really well on the same connections meets will degrade quite badly. I've always thought there should be a switch to decide which of video or audio should receive priority.
jefftk 6y ago
The web client now has gallery view

by ISL 6y ago

tweetle_beetle 6y ago

I've wondered whether things like the gallery view limitation were actual technical hurdles, or just the modern equivalent of nagware to boost the app download metrics.

ISL 6y ago
At the start of the pandemic, the web client had gallery view.

Asraelite 6y ago

Is the lack of a gallery view a genuine technical constraint, or an artificial one introduced to get users to use the plugin?

Steltek 6y ago
False dichotomy. There's a (likely) third option where they do not have sufficient engineering effort to do everything at once. Most users are on the app so that's where effort is applied. Yes, this means the webapp loses even more market share but thems the breaks.
- dhosek 6y ago
  Given that Facebook removed functionality from the mobile web view that was present in earlier versions and is still there in the desktop view (messages, cough), I think that it's a very fair question to raise about Zoom's choice to not allow gallery view in the web app.
  - Steltek 6y ago
    Putting aside that Zoom is not Facebook, "Zoom's choice to not allow gallery view" sounds very much like, "How long have you been beating your wife?" Zoom has not implemented gallery view. We know nothing about the whys, hows, and whats of the matter. Look, I prefer webapps when possible and keep mobile apps to a very minimum on my mobile (and preferably from F-Droid, at that). But I also understand that you can only do so much in a release and if your engineering team expertise, backlog, users, sales, EVERYTHING, is centered around native apps. Then damn it, you're going to make your native app look stellar because otherwise your competitors will get a leg up over you.
  - dreamcompiler 6y ago
    I can still get FB Messages in the mobile web view by telling my browser to use Desktop view and ensuring the URL starts with "www" rather than "m." It's painful but it works. I deleted the FB app from my phone years ago (with difficulty because Samsung makes it undeletable by non-hackers) because the app gives FB far too much info about me.

jacquesm 6y ago

Yes, but they keep pushing the binary anyway.

mark4o 6y ago

On macOS my experience with Zoom in the browser is that the gallery mode works in Chrome, however in Chrome it has problems with the camera (it reports that the camera is in use, or will hog the cpu and work at about 1 frame per second). On Firefox the camera works fine, but there is no gallery mode. On Safari the gallery mode and camera both work, but audio does not work! So I need to choose whether to do without video, audio, or gallery mode, or I can connect to the meeting twice with two different browsers.

kiwijamo 6y ago

Meet performs quite poorly with large number of participants (the tipping point being around 10 or so for me) in a meeting. I tried various browsers and found Chrome to be the worst performer and surprisely Firefox was somewhat better but still needed a refresh every now and then. Macos on a 2017 MacBook. This is one of many reasons keeping my $employer on Zoom. We just haven't found a decent video conferencing software that manages 25+ videos flawlessly. I know of colleagues using Teams successfully but many people we meet with outside our organisation expects Zoom nowdays. I suspect any alternative will have to be very good to take over Zoom as the preferred platform. That has yet to appear.

sigmaml 6y ago
Evidently, it depends on multiple factors. My son's school uses Google Meet for online classes. 2 instructors + 36 students per section. All participants have their videos switched on. Even when the bandwidth fluctuates, we haven't noticed issues. In particular, Meet degrades well: audio continues to be high quality, with video becoming grainy or getting suspended. But, that is pretty rare. And, slide shows are never a problem.
- kiwijamo 6y ago
  Ah that is interesting. I work for a school for Deaf learners who use sign language. We rely on having good quality video so we can see each other. Your description of video degradion matches my observation. Unfortunately this is not suitable for our use case. Zoom maintains high quality video really well on the same connections meets will degrade quite badly. I've always thought there should be a switch to decide which of video or audio should receive priority.

jefftk 6y ago

The web client now has gallery view