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>I think it’s interesting that you’d blame this family for the horrors of colonialism. Heres the opening for Patrick Freyne in the Irish Times on the British M

by s_dev 5y ago

>I think it’s interesting that you’d blame this family for the horrors of colonialism. Heres the opening for Patrick Freyne in the Irish Times on the British Monarchy: "Having a monarchy next door is a little like having a neighbour who’s really into clowns and has daubed their house with clown murals, displays clown dolls in each window and has an insatiable desire to hear about and discuss clown-related news stories. More specifically, for the Irish, it’s like having a neighbour who’s really into clowns and, also, your grandfather was murdered by a clown." >You call them a symbol, that’s all they are. Yet swastikas are illegal in Germany. Symbols have meaning and the British monarchy does represent imperialism and colonialism even if it makes British people feel uncomfortable. https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/harry-and-meghan-the-union-of-two-great-houses-the-windsors-and-the-celebrities-is-complete-1.4504502 https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/harry-and-me...

yakubin 5y ago
The royal family, including current members, also has a history of some sympathy towards Nazism. [1]: <https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/royal-family-nazi-photographs-images-duke-windsor-giving-heil-hitler-salute-during-visit-germany-sale-10407006.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/royal-family-nazi-...> [2]: <https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/19/queens-nazi-salute-video-pressure-mounts-on-royals-to-open-up-archives https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/19/queens-nazi-...> [3]: <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4170083.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4170083.stm>
- kkoncevicius 5y ago
  California, USA, has had a bigger sympathy towards Nazism, and even some direct influence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States#Influence_on_Nazi_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States#...
  - yakubin 5y ago
    I find such whataboutism reprehensible. It's common in my home country, where a lot of people in response to pointing out our history of repressions against Jews start pointing fingers at other countries with a vague "they were worse", or worse "we were provoked"; instead of admitting to the past and learning something from it. Pointing out someone's shortcomings shouldn't trigger a review of the shortcomings of others.
    - kkoncevicius 5y ago
      Well, I find such selective highlighting reprehensible. If we seriously care about Nazi sympathies we can make a list and go from the top and get some perspective for tackling this issue. But to bring it up after a person dies is, at minimum, in poor taste.
      - yakubin 5y ago
        "Selective highlighting"? "Making a list and going from the top"? Looks like my comment went completely over somebody's head. If you read the complete thread, you'll see that it's not random. And I disagree that bringing up something negative after someone dies is bad taste. Yeah, I don't think we'd get along.
TheCoelacanth 5y ago
> the British monarchy does represent imperialism and colonialism Exactly this. The institution of the monarchy is why the family is to blame. They aren't to blame simply for who they are descended from, but they are to blame for choosing to continue to participate in the monarchy.
- nicky0 5y ago
  Do you feel better for having decided who is to blame?

by s_dev 5y ago

yakubin 5y ago

The royal family, including current members, also has a history of some sympathy towards Nazism. [1]: <https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/royal-family-nazi-photographs-images-duke-windsor-giving-heil-hitler-salute-during-visit-germany-sale-10407006.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/royal-family-nazi-...> [2]: <https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/19/queens-nazi-salute-video-pressure-mounts-on-royals-to-open-up-archives https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/19/queens-nazi-...> [3]: <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4170083.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4170083.stm>

kkoncevicius 5y ago
California, USA, has had a bigger sympathy towards Nazism, and even some direct influence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States#Influence_on_Nazi_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States#...
- yakubin 5y ago
  I find such whataboutism reprehensible. It's common in my home country, where a lot of people in response to pointing out our history of repressions against Jews start pointing fingers at other countries with a vague "they were worse", or worse "we were provoked"; instead of admitting to the past and learning something from it. Pointing out someone's shortcomings shouldn't trigger a review of the shortcomings of others.
  - kkoncevicius 5y ago
    Well, I find such selective highlighting reprehensible. If we seriously care about Nazi sympathies we can make a list and go from the top and get some perspective for tackling this issue. But to bring it up after a person dies is, at minimum, in poor taste.
    - yakubin 5y ago
      "Selective highlighting"? "Making a list and going from the top"? Looks like my comment went completely over somebody's head. If you read the complete thread, you'll see that it's not random. And I disagree that bringing up something negative after someone dies is bad taste. Yeah, I don't think we'd get along.

TheCoelacanth 5y ago

> the British monarchy does represent imperialism and colonialism Exactly this. The institution of the monarchy is why the family is to blame. They aren't to blame simply for who they are descended from, but they are to blame for choosing to continue to participate in the monarchy.

nicky0 5y ago
Do you feel better for having decided who is to blame?